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Actually, it might put a lot of buggy whip makers back into business, as the horse and carriage could at least go twenty miles without stopping to recharge.
Where does the cord go on a horse?

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O'Mally can have my 2c - as long as he promises not to turn MD into the south, or DE, or any of the other "free" states where lousy education and poverty dwarf what we have here in our little socialist haven..
Why don't you ask what happened to the last .02 before he takes .02 more from you??
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Why don't you ask what happened to the last .02 before he takes .02 more from you??
All I can say is that I like it here, and I think MD runs pretty good for the most part ('specially compared to our neighboring states). I think the value is pretty good for the money spent. Don't you?

If it's so oppressive here, why on earth do you stay?
(not you specifically, I mean the gripers in general)
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Please get this thread out of General Disussion and off to Politics where it belongs.

Gary may or may not have intended this to be boating related, but the political bs is making my blood boil.

I say we have a huge tax on engineless boats or anyone that uses the word tea party in a sentence that would eclipse all other taxes combined.
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Tax cuts and wars finally put on the books (as well as banker bailouts) are why we're here.
There's a little more to it than that. Demographics have something to do with it, as does the willingness of every generation prior to and including this one to try and kick all their obligations down the road instead of funding them in advance.

But apropos the topic, we spend an immense amount of money securing our access to foreign oil. If we used less of it, we'd have to secure less of it, and we could spend less money on all that (and, not fund the very same terrorist organizations with the one hand that we're taxing ourselves to fund wars against on the other hand). But there's really very little incentive for anyone reduce their oil use -- it's cheaper than milk! So we really do need to make the retail cost of the stuff incorporate all the external expenses that go into getting it to retail. If we can do that, then we can let Adam Smith's hand take care of encouraging people to make good tradeoffs between use and conservation.
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I would be outa' here in a heatbeat, Chris, but when you have a wife, children and a grandchild, well, I don't sing nearly as well as a soprano--and believe me she would make that come about if I sold the house and sailed off to the sunny south.

Now, don't pick on neighboring Delaware where taxes are less than half what they are here. Do you seriously believe that the kids in Delaware's school system are dumber than the kids in Baltimore's school system. Do they have a bigger crime problem, less advantages, poorer roads? NAH! They just get more bang for the buck than we do here.

Back to the gasoline tax. I received two return emails from the three that I send out to senators and delegates. Both said they would do everything in their power to prevent this tax from being put in place and that they were dead-set against it. I look at this increase in gasoline tax as a 6 percent reduction in everyone in Maryland's spendable income. So far, no one has piped up with a response showing detailed or documented information as to how this will benefit anyone--I'm still waiting.

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Like I said, I'm an old guy, and while $20 will only buy a couple packs of cigarettes in NYC or SOCAL, I worked damned hard for that $20 and I don' want to see it pissed down a rat-hole. Additionally, that $20 is just one of many, many $20 dollar annual increases on the cost of goods and services we all need and use every day of our lives. If I'm going to have to shell out another $20 a year I want something in return. I'm not going to get anything for that $20 bill but the shaft!

Now, if you're looking at that single $20 bill as the only setback, you're not seeing the entire picture. Try looking at that $20 as a small fraction of the 6-percent decrease you, and every citizen of Maryland will have in spendable income. Income that could readily be sent up to New York when I sail up there on vacation this summer. Whoops! Guess I won't be sailing to New York, I no longer have enough spendable income to make the trip. Think about it.

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'Old guys' are some of the biggest drains on taxpayers, between SS & Medicare. But, I don't mind paying for them. It's our burden.
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'Old guys' are some of the biggest drains on taxpayers, between SS & Medicare. But, I don't mind paying for them. It's our burden.
NAH! We paid in before you were born, and neither Medicare or Social Security would be broke if the a$$es in congress would have not raided those funds for other purposes. Keep in mind that we old farts continue to pay, especially those of us that are self employed, a category that I, and many individuals over age 65, fall into. We paid in more ways then most younger folks can imagine, but that's OK, we owe it to you--the government says so!

As much as I try to keep this thread on track about the marine industry, it seems to quickly stray off course. I guess I'm looking at this in a different light than some folks, but I've been around long enough to know that ALL taxes are regressive. When my kids were born I told them early on that I don't owe them straight teeth and a college education. While I paid for the overpriced orthodontist and actually worked a second job at night to cover the expense, my children managed to get through college without living on campus, going to frat parties, traveling to South Beach for Spring Break and they actually bought their own cars by working summer jobs. I didn't want, or expect the taxpayers of Maryland or the U.S. to fund their education. Yep, they took out loans, and they paid them back. They didn't deadbeat on those loans and they paid back every penny without COD (cash offa' Dad).

One of the transportation trust fund projections in my area is a bridge over a small creek known as Winters Run. There's a bridge across it now, but it's pretty old, maybe over 100 years old, it's made of stone and structural steel, the roadbed is made of 4X10 timbers and they're in great shape. Somebody in the county government said the bridge is old (like me) and must be replaced to prevent someone from plunging 6 feet to the creek bed if it were to collapse.

Now, in order to replace that perfectly sound bridge (bridge inspectors said it was still sound) the county said they had to hire a consultant, you know, one of those folks that comes from out of town with briefcase filled with 35-mm slides, a PC and a Power Point Program. The cost of the consultant study was just under $1-million dollars. The result of the study revealed while the bridge is still structurally sound, it should probably replaced within the next 20 years--NO $HIT!

Next came the architectural study--it was less expensive at just under $400,000. They said the bridge should be moved upriver about 50 feet so the old bridge could be preserved as an historical artifact. (I guess George Washington slept under the bridge, or something like that).

Of course, by moving the bridge upstream 50 feet meant that it would be on private property, which the county and state had to acquire from the owners at a price you could have purchased the Brooklyn Bridge for. What the Hell, it's only taxpayer dollars, and they have more then they need--especially the old guys and gals. Of course the purchase had to first be approved by the County Council, the Department of Transportation, and loads of lesser known agencies, both state and federal. That took nearly two years. In the mean time the country constructed a temporary bridge over the old bridge--just to be on the safe side. The cost of the 44-foot bridge was just under $300,000 and it's barely wide enough for a compact car to pass over. If you own a Hummer, forgetaboutit!

Fast forward (a term never used in government) to today. The new bridge, which will be in place sometime in the next decade, will cost taxpayers about $10-million. It will be wide enough for two lanes, made of concrete and steel, and because it's upstream, where the creek is a bit wider, it will be about 70 feet long. Additionally, taxpayers will have to fork out another million for rerouting the existing road to the new bridge.

It's this kind of insanity that we're dealing with on a daily basis. Three Hillbillies (mountain Williams for the politically correct faction) with chain saws and a wheelbarrow could have replaced the existing bridge in a month and wouldn't have broken into a sweat in doing so. When construction begins I'll try and shoot some photos of the shovel leaners that will be on the construction site. Anybody wanna' guess at the number of folks the state and county will have there supervising. And, I can almost guarantee you it will take at least a year or two to build this bridge that really isn't needed at all. Local historians tell us the first bridge was built in less than two weeks.

If this "old man" seems to sound somewhat cynical it's probably because I have a right to be that way--I EARNED IT! : I'm slowly but surely being taxed to oblivion, and so is everyone that participated in this thread and forum. This regressive gasoline tax is just one more, very-long nail in the coffin of every industry in this nation. If you don't think so, I want you those naysayers to take 6-percent of their annual income, income after taxes, and put it in a bank account. Then, at the end of the year, take all those dollars out of the bank, open the door of your fireplace or wood-stove, toss the money in the door and throw a lit match on it. At least you'll benefit from the heat while it burns, which is more than you'll benefit from King O'Mally's gasoline tax.

NOW I'M GONNA' GET DRUNK!

Gary

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I would be outa' here in a heatbeat, Chris, but when you have a wife, children and a grandchild, well, I don't sing nearly as well as a soprano--and believe me she would make that come about if I sold the house and sailed off to the sunny south.

Now, don't pick on neighboring Delaware where taxes are less than half what they are here. Do you seriously believe that the kids in Delaware's school system are dumber than the kids in Baltimore's school system. Do they have a bigger crime problem, less advantages, poorer roads? NAH! They just get more bang for the buck than we do here.

Back to the gasoline tax. I received two return emails from the three that I send out to senators and delegates. Both said they would do everything in their power to prevent this tax from being put in place and that they were dead-set against it. I look at this increase in gasoline tax as a 6 percent reduction in everyone in Maryland's spendable income. So far, no one has piped up with a response showing detailed or documented information as to how this will benefit anyone--I'm still waiting.

Good luck,

Gary
Well, I think your home is on one of the most beautiful lots in one of the best areas in MD, and nowhere in DE (imo) would be as nice.

I have done a bunch of work up that way, and I have always noted that their must me mercury or something in the water... people up there are kind of uh... differently abled imo..

Anyway, I think it's ok to disagree - I get where you guys are coming from (I just don't agree). Lets ratchet back before Minn has a coronary on us..

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I say get rid of ALL the taxes

Lets go back to Darwinism where only the fittest survive
No subsidized healthcare just shorten the life spans of those who cannot deal with illness
No need for roads we can ride horses or better yet walk
Everyone should grow their own food, its safer that way
School and education..who needs it, we will be working the land anyway..no time for a boat
Lets let the rich get rich after all with the trickle down theory it will make us all richer

We dont need taxes to pay for the police...everyone just arms themselves shoot baby
We dont need fire fighters....burn baby burn
We dont need the EPA...drill baby drill
We dont need the DNR...fish baby fish
We dont need the Chesapeake Bay Bridge...row baby row
We dont need hosptals...die baby die

No taxes...thats the ticket...no need for the self serving special interst groups..only the strongest and the richest survuve

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