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post #11 of 35 Old 02-09-2012
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If it fits the budget, mount two banks of garhauer clutches on the cabin top, one on each side of the companionway. The side with the winch is where you run your halyards- main, jib and topping lift. The other bank of clutches is for your light loads- jib downhaul, cunningham, vang, reefing lines. Run your halyards/lift down to blocks at the mast base, back through a deck organizer and through the clutches to the winch. Run your light loads through fairleads/organizer as needed and back to the clutches.
I am thinking about eventually doing something like this but have been told that you want to balance the loads on either side; not sure why. Any thoughts on that?

To the OP: your hoisting procedures sound way overcomplicated.

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Then I would go forward, un bag, hank on, and layout sheets for jib and then she could "winch" the halyard from the cockpit while I adjust the hanks clear the lines set the foot on jib/genoa...
Definitely the unbagging, hanking on, etc. is all done at the dock.... until you need to swap out sails underway, that is. But this business about adjusting hanks, etc.... just check right before the hoist that nothing is fouled and that should be sufficient.

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I'm thinking on a boat under 30' the loads are light enough not to matter.

On a cruising boat I don't see a need for two cabin top winches for sail raising, unlike Harken. Here's their suggested deck layout for a smallish cruising boat.:



If you're single handing you're not going to be hoisting main and jib at the same time anyway. Even with a spinn rig, and a hank on headsail, I'd be hard pressed to see the value of a second sail handling winch on a sub 30' cruising boat.

But then, I'm not in the business of selling winches.
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To the OP: your hoisting procedures sound way overcomplicated.

Definitely the unbagging, hanking on, etc. is all done at the dock.... until you need to swap out sails underway, that is. But this business about adjusting hanks, etc.... just check right before the hoist that nothing is fouled and that should be sufficient.
I didn't mean I do that every hoist, just that I would be available up front to deal with if it arose...

But I'm likeing the pre-sail setup and running the lines back so I can do it myself...then if wife/crew can/want to help out...bonus...

Original question was " I can only have one which to choose...?" But the answer is looking like Heck with choosing, set it up for both..

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I have a couple of pieces of shock cord about 3ft long attached to the toe rail on each side near the bow. They have little hook clips on them, I just get the jib ready then pull the cords over and clip them together. Keeps everything tidy up there and then hoist, just unclip and hoist.
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Are cam cleats a useable alternative to a clutch setup...?

Or is that more for a lower load setup like jib sheet...? Although I would think a jib sheet has more a "jerky load" than a steady halyard tension...

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you can use cam cleats on halyards if they are rated for the load. but most clutches can handle a higher load. the clutch is designed to take the load of a halyard without being on the winch. a cam cleat is used after the winch and the clutch is before the clutch.

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Original question was " I can only have one which to choose...?" But the answer is looking like Heck with choosing, set it up for both..
Aha I see. Yeah, that's the beauty of clutches.

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The halyards are the white and red or green lines. the the blue line are the furler line being installed at the time of the picture. the cam cleats are to lock the halyard after raising the sail to give you time to set the clutch
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Belt and suspenders...?

Actually, what about a cam holding till I can tie off on a cleat...? Cleats I have...

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