Sailing Motorless from LA to Phillipines - Page 2 - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree15Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 02-22-2012
Faster's Avatar
Just another Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New Westminster, BC
Posts: 15,327
Thanks: 88
Thanked 242 Times in 233 Posts
Rep Power: 10
Faster has a spectacular aura about Faster has a spectacular aura about Faster has a spectacular aura about
Agree... attempting to cross an ocean without an engine mostly just means you need a lot of time (no schedule) and enough food and water for sustenance for however long. He's getting an escort/tow out of harbour so that's the first hurdle out of the way.

Whether I'd have the patience for that approach is another matter, but practically speaking you can't rely on the motor in any major way in terms of an 8000 mile passage anyhow unless you're so loaded with fuel that you're hardly moving anyway..
souljour2000 likes this.
__________________
Ron

1984 Fast/Nicholson 345 "FastForward"

".. there is much you could do at sea with common sense.. and very little you could do without it.."
Capt G E Ericson (from "The Cruel Sea" by Nicholas Monsarrat)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #12  
Old 02-22-2012
PBzeer's Avatar
Wandering Aimlessly
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Cruising
Posts: 20,668
Thanks: 0
Thanked 89 Times in 86 Posts
Rep Power: 15
PBzeer has a spectacular aura about PBzeer has a spectacular aura about PBzeer has a spectacular aura about
Mr Sullivan says in the video, "I look forward to not using any oil or gas". I look forward to that as well, doesn't mean I have to pull the engine out of my boat to accomplish it though. You simply don't turn it on.
__________________
John
Ontario 32 - Aria

Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love.
JCP


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Website & Blog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #13  
Old 02-22-2012
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Florida
Posts: 23
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
LManess is on a distinguished road
When I sailed from Panama to the Galapagos there was no reason to use my engine. However, it is really nice to have when coming into a port. You can take the sails down, you can manuever easily around other boats, and you're not putting anyone in danger if the wind dies down when you don't expect it.

I used oil lamps, had no fridge or computer and collected rain water. So, I didn't have to have an engine and really didn't have the need for one on long sails.

Having said all that - one time that engine saved my boat, coming in through a pass. So, is one necessary - for me it was.

On long passages, turning on your engine when the wind dies is sort of dumb. Why are you in a hurry if it really is 20 days to the next port? And, isn't the point to enjoy the water? If the wind is so low that you can't sail, take them down and go swimming, read a book, fish a little, life is good. All the engine does is use fuel, stink up the air and make noise.

Linda
jimmalkin, davidpm and chrisncate like this.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #14  
Old 02-22-2012
chrisncate's Avatar
Taco Whisperer
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Maryland
Posts: 4,906
Thanks: 18
Thanked 33 Times in 33 Posts
Rep Power: 5
chrisncate is on a distinguished road
Huh..

Motorless eh? Sounds primitive..
CalebD and crazystrause like this.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #15  
Old 02-22-2012
SlowButSteady's Avatar
Senior Slacker
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: SoCal
Posts: 4,223
Thanks: 0
Thanked 17 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 5
SlowButSteady is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisncate View Post
Huh..

Motorless eh? Sounds primitive..
Chris!! What took ya' so long?? I've been wondering when you would chime in.
__________________
Never forget them. Do something to prevent it from happening again.
Charlotte Bacon, Daniel Barden, Rachel Davino, Olivia Josephine Gay, Ana M. Marquez-Greene, Dylan Hockley, Dawn Hochsprung, Madeleine F. Hsu, Catherine V. Hubbard, Chase Kowalski, Jesse Lewis, James Mattioli , Grace McDonnell, Anne Marie Murphy, Emilie Parker, Jack Pinto, Noah Pozner, Caroline Previdi, Jessica Rekos, Avielle Richman, Lauren Rousseau, Mary Sherlach, Victoria Soto, Benjamin Wheeler, Allison N. Wyatt
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #16  
Old 02-22-2012
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 4,015
Thanks: 0
Thanked 141 Times in 125 Posts
Rep Power: 5
JonEisberg will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolatom View Post
this is all too tongue-in-cheek for me.

Aside from coastal and harbor passages which can be handled with a tow, what benefit is a motor to a long nonstop passage? No 30-footer can carry enough fuel to make it a real factor in the sea passage itself.

So therefore what's the big deal about ballyhooing the "engineless" part of this proposed trip?
Seems to me, he'll likely be giving a lot of those beautiful Pacific atolls a miss, without an engine...

He'll need a lot of things running in his favor, negotiating some of those reef passes engineless... And, with winds in excess of 15-20 knots for days at a time, many passes will NEVER see a period of slack tide, water will just be pouring out of those passes 24 hours a day...

It's certainly been done, but I sure wouldn't want to sail through an area like the Tuomotus, singlehanded, without an engine...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #17  
Old 02-22-2012
PBzeer's Avatar
Wandering Aimlessly
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Cruising
Posts: 20,668
Thanks: 0
Thanked 89 Times in 86 Posts
Rep Power: 15
PBzeer has a spectacular aura about PBzeer has a spectacular aura about PBzeer has a spectacular aura about
I think what "rankles" a lot of people is the perception of self-congratulation that comes with declaring one's self, engineless. I think that most people view pulling the motor as not an issue of trip planning or boat preparation, but of adhering to a personal philosophy. And though there's nothing wrong with making the choice on those grounds, by making an issue of it, it does give the appearance of claiming some sort of superiority over "less enlightened" sailors.

Whether that's at play here, I don't know. That's just how it comes across to me.
jrd22, chef2sail and Telesail like this.
__________________
John
Ontario 32 - Aria

Free, is the heart, that lives not, in fear.
Full, is the spirit, that thinks not, of falling.
True, is the soul, that hesitates not, to give.
Alive, is the one, that believes, in love.
JCP


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
- Website & Blog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #18  
Old 02-22-2012
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Cape Cod, MA
Posts: 26
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
75Tartan30 is on a distinguished road
My brother sailed a Lyle C Hess cutter named "Carina" that he built in the back of the boat yard we both worked at damn near around the world. No engine and absolutely everything from the bronze rib castings to the mast was hand built at Areys Pond Boat Yard. It took from the age of 16 to 20 to finish the boat but off he went with not a battery aboard. If you know how to really handle a sailboat/navigate then their is literally no reason to have an engine. That said I would not give my engine up for nothing!

Last edited by 75Tartan30; 02-22-2012 at 07:41 PM.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #19  
Old 02-22-2012
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Truckee, CA
Posts: 8,591
Thanks: 2
Thanked 115 Times in 113 Posts
Rep Power: 0
dabnis is on a distinguished road
Kind of reminds me of the "catch & release" controversy among fishermen. I see a "holier than though" attitude, especially on fly fishing forums, of some of those that choose to release their fish. We release our fish because we really don't care for them, they taste fishy. If that helps the stock, fine. Going "motorless" is fine as long as you don't endanger others, especially in confined waters with commercial traffic.

Paul T
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #20  
Old 02-22-2012
tdw's Avatar
tdw tdw is offline
Super Fuzzy Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Sydney Australia
Posts: 14,932
Thanks: 5
Thanked 80 Times in 74 Posts
Rep Power: 10
tdw is a jewel in the rough tdw is a jewel in the rough tdw is a jewel in the rough
The time issue is interesting. Deep down inside I know that Linda is correct. What's the rush ? We choose to go out in a form of transport that for the a lot of the time doesn't goes faster than a brisk walk yet we fret if we take too long to go from one place t'other.

That said, the number of cruising sailors I have met who state quite frankly that anything under 5,6,7 knots and they motor has surprised me.
__________________
Andrew B

"Do you think God gets stoned? I think so... Look at the platypus." Robin Williams.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ok, NOW I'm asking about doing the ICW motorless chrisncate General Discussion (sailing related) 132 02-15-2012 07:19 PM
sailing cat in the phillipines AKscooter Boat Review and Purchase Forum 2 09-16-2009 12:07 PM
2006 US National Sailing Team Named - US SAILING News @ ISAF - Sailing.org NewsReader News Feeds 0 04-20-2006 08:18 AM
USA. US SAILING names 2006 US National Sailing Team @ BYM Sailing News NewsReader News Feeds 0 04-20-2006 04:16 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:53 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.