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Agree... attempting to cross an ocean without an engine mostly just means you need a lot of time (no schedule) and enough food and water for sustenance for however long. He's getting an escort/tow out of harbour so that's the first hurdle out of the way.

Whether I'd have the patience for that approach is another matter, but practically speaking you can't rely on the motor in any major way in terms of an 8000 mile passage anyhow unless you're so loaded with fuel that you're hardly moving anyway..
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Mr Sullivan says in the video, "I look forward to not using any oil or gas". I look forward to that as well, doesn't mean I have to pull the engine out of my boat to accomplish it though. You simply don't turn it on.
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When I sailed from Panama to the Galapagos there was no reason to use my engine. However, it is really nice to have when coming into a port. You can take the sails down, you can manuever easily around other boats, and you're not putting anyone in danger if the wind dies down when you don't expect it.

I used oil lamps, had no fridge or computer and collected rain water. So, I didn't have to have an engine and really didn't have the need for one on long sails.

Having said all that - one time that engine saved my boat, coming in through a pass. So, is one necessary - for me it was.

On long passages, turning on your engine when the wind dies is sort of dumb. Why are you in a hurry if it really is 20 days to the next port? And, isn't the point to enjoy the water? If the wind is so low that you can't sail, take them down and go swimming, read a book, fish a little, life is good. All the engine does is use fuel, stink up the air and make noise.

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Huh..

Motorless eh? Sounds primitive..
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Huh..

Motorless eh? Sounds primitive..
Chris!! What took ya' so long?? I've been wondering when you would chime in.
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this is all too tongue-in-cheek for me.

Aside from coastal and harbor passages which can be handled with a tow, what benefit is a motor to a long nonstop passage? No 30-footer can carry enough fuel to make it a real factor in the sea passage itself.

So therefore what's the big deal about ballyhooing the "engineless" part of this proposed trip?
Seems to me, he'll likely be giving a lot of those beautiful Pacific atolls a miss, without an engine...

He'll need a lot of things running in his favor, negotiating some of those reef passes engineless... And, with winds in excess of 15-20 knots for days at a time, many passes will NEVER see a period of slack tide, water will just be pouring out of those passes 24 hours a day...

It's certainly been done, but I sure wouldn't want to sail through an area like the Tuomotus, singlehanded, without an engine...
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I think what "rankles" a lot of people is the perception of self-congratulation that comes with declaring one's self, engineless. I think that most people view pulling the motor as not an issue of trip planning or boat preparation, but of adhering to a personal philosophy. And though there's nothing wrong with making the choice on those grounds, by making an issue of it, it does give the appearance of claiming some sort of superiority over "less enlightened" sailors.

Whether that's at play here, I don't know. That's just how it comes across to me.
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My brother sailed a Lyle C Hess cutter named "Carina" that he built in the back of the boat yard we both worked at damn near around the world. No engine and absolutely everything from the bronze rib castings to the mast was hand built at Areys Pond Boat Yard. It took from the age of 16 to 20 to finish the boat but off he went with not a battery aboard. If you know how to really handle a sailboat/navigate then their is literally no reason to have an engine. That said I would not give my engine up for nothing!

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Kind of reminds me of the "catch & release" controversy among fishermen. I see a "holier than though" attitude, especially on fly fishing forums, of some of those that choose to release their fish. We release our fish because we really don't care for them, they taste fishy. If that helps the stock, fine. Going "motorless" is fine as long as you don't endanger others, especially in confined waters with commercial traffic.

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The time issue is interesting. Deep down inside I know that Linda is correct. What's the rush ? We choose to go out in a form of transport that for the a lot of the time doesn't goes faster than a brisk walk yet we fret if we take too long to go from one place t'other.

That said, the number of cruising sailors I have met who state quite frankly that anything under 5,6,7 knots and they motor has surprised me.
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