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Couple of things ....

PB .... take that lump of iron out of your boat and my guess is you'll have a zippier sailor.

dabnis .... I fail to see why the simple lack of an engine should in itself endanger others.
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I just like the word "donk." Without a donk onboard one does not have the opportunity to sound all weathered and crusty and Chopper-esque, uttering phrases like "best fire up the donk, yeah?", "Hey, we need another gerry of petrol for the donk, yeah?" and my favourite, "hear the clunk in the donk ya wonk? More like a clonk than a clunk, run along, ding-dong!"
Great, now I've got a bad 50s white-boy doo-*** song stuck in my head.

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I believe the whole engine-less thing is emphasized for the green charities he is supporting and raising awareness for. The last Cal 2-30 he had did not sink. They made him scuttle it. So this time he goes with zero through hulls. Also, he is using solar for the very few power needs.
He does have time, because this is what he does.

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The time issue is interesting. Deep down inside I know that Linda is correct. What's the rush ? We choose to go out in a form of transport that for the a lot of the time doesn't goes faster than a brisk walk yet we fret if we take too long to go from one place t'other.

That said, the number of cruising sailors I have met who state quite frankly that anything under 5,6,7 knots and they motor has surprised me.
I think it's the "We'll be there Tuesday" syndrome. Most people these days plug their departure point and their destination into the chart plotter, get it to tell them how long the voyage will take at 80%, or so, of hull speed, turn around and tell everyone when they'll be at their destination, and then take it as some sort of personal point of failure if they can't get there by their ETA. This forces them to motor whenever their speed drops very far below hull speed, less they show up a few days late, tails between their legs, heads bowed, suffering from the abject shame of taking to long to make a passage.

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Chris!! What took ya' so long?? I've been wondering when you would chime in.
I didn't want to rankle or be self righteous...

Plus, I want to see how it goes for someone else starting a motorless thread for a change...
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I just like the word "donk." Without a donk onboard one does not have the opportunity to sound all weathered and crusty and Chopper-esque, uttering phrases like "best fire up the donk, yeah?", "Hey, we need another gerry of petrol for the donk, yeah?" and my favourite, "hear the clunk in the donk ya wonk? More like a clonk than a clunk, run along, ding-dong!"
Great, now I've got a bad 50s white-boy doo-*** song stuck in my head.
An American Donk..


Sorry, you mentioned a donk and a car..

Anyway, should the motorless sailor view the opinions of the motored as self righteous? Seems kind of one way

I believe the motored folks out shout the non motored by leaps and bounds over their beliefs and ideology..

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An American Donk..
That's not really a car. It's just a fancy a carport for a Mazda Miata.

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Didn't the Hays duo sail a Marshall 22 in the open Atlantic from the Bahamas to New London? They survived that one, too. The gods must be smiling on them. Had they been pooped with that large cockpit, it would have been all over. (Yes, I am aware of the air mattress trick.)

Sailing coastal craft in the open ocean and sailing engineless in general doesn't make for a good example IMHO. These guys were doing the equivalent of playing russian roulette. Their survival was a matter of luck--not design. To get the full picture, you need the stories of the folks who took chances and didn't make it---but they don't write books, do they?
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That's not really a car. It's just a fancy a carport for a Mazda Miata.
Well, it's my gammys car anyway..

Re: the topic - I really think the motorless debate gets taken way too far. Russian Roulette? For gods sakes, that's a bit dramatic imo..

What about the flip side? For every unknown mortorless sailor who winds up on the rocks, how many motored sailors wind up in the same place due to blind faith in their motor always working? I'm talking about the sailors who you see motoring in in a stiff breeze (or worse) with the sails all nicely furled and the main covered up, within spitting distance of stationary objects.

It's not the motor (or lack thereof), and it's not even the boat really - it's the sailor and his seamanship.
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Frankly, if i was to go motorless, a transpac would be my choice over cruising the east coast, just as I'd rather have a 7' draft on the west coast than on the east coast.

Slightly oversimplified, but if you're sailing out of lower cali, just make sure you miss Catalina and make sure you hit Hawaii, then fill your water jugs, empty your holding tank and continue.

Working your way down the thorny path in hurricane season with no aux power? now you've got my attention.

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