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Sailing Motorless from LA to Phillipines

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This guy is my neighbor in Marina Del Rey. I will be escorting him out on March 4th in my Cal 2-30.
It's been highly educational watching him modify his boat to prepare for this sail. You can see a video of him here:

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Note: the article incorrectly states that he will sail north to 12 degrees.

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sounds brainless to me...

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sounds brainless to me...
OUCH!


I will say that sailing motorless can't be done, everyone knows that!

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I will say that sailing motorless can't be done, everyone knows that!
Didn't the Pardeys, and James Baldwin, and Vito Dumas, and Capt. Slocum, and......, and...., and.... all prove that??

Never forget them. Do something to prevent it from happening again.
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Didn't the Pardeys, and James Baldwin, and Vito Dumas, and Capt. Slocum, and......, and...., and.... all prove that??
I'll urge you to be careful about those names on sailnet. All sailnetters know it's extremely dangerous to sail motorless. I dare not mention the ICW and motorless traversing themed threads that have been closed due to the seriousness of the topic... Be careful with your flippant statements and prattling on about others that have braved those waters... The armchair sailing community will oust you for less!
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this is all too tongue-in-cheek for me.

Aside from coastal and harbor passages which can be handled with a tow, what benefit is a motor to a long nonstop passage? No 30-footer can carry enough fuel to make it a real factor in the sea passage itself.

So therefore what's the big deal about ballyhooing the "engineless" part of this proposed trip?
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this is all too tongue-in-cheek for me.

Aside from coastal and harbor passages which can be handled with a tow, what benefit is a motor to a long nonstop passage? No 30-footer can carry enough fuel to make it a real factor in the sea passage itself.

So therefore what's the big deal about ballyhooing the "engineless" part of this proposed trip?
Many, if not most, boats with an engine will use it to charge their batteries, or provide power for a watermaker, or reefer holding plate, from time to time. It can also make MOB and drogue retrieval maneuvers faster and easier (usually). Really big boats, with really big engines and LOTS of fuel, will sometimes power to avoid storms, or get through long calm spells, et cetera, too. More moderate-sized boats can often motor-sail for pretty long distances w/o using a hugh amount of fuel.

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He's solo so MOB, with or without engine, is kind of moot. Assuming he is using solar, wind, or something other than propulsion engine for recharge, that could be moot, too.

I don't know the boat, couldn't open the video. But Lapworth design? Might be a beefed-up Cal 30? Anyway, in an 8000-mile passage, let's say he carries 50 gallons diesel, uses what, half-gallon to a gallon per hour, it's a few hundred miles, but if he's fortunate with the trades he won't motor much.

So I'm just wondering why he's making "engineless" such a big deal, it's not like it hasn't been done for hundreds of years, and even unintentionally nowadays, when a motor conks out during a passage.
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He's solo so MOB, with or without engine, is kind of moot. Assuming he is using solar, wind, or something other than propulsion engine for recharge, that could be moot, too.
I was treating your question as a more general one. Obviously a single-handed sailor has different considerations. And, yes, there are other ways to charge the boat's batteries. But, that is what boats with motor often do. Having the charging capacity of an inboard engine also provides one a back-up in case there is trouble with the solar and/or wind generator. These folks would have been pretty much SOL had they not had an inboard in addition to their solar panels (see their video logs of their trips between Hawai'i and the West Coast).

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I don't know the boat, couldn't open the video. But Lapworth design? Might be a beefed-up Cal 30?
It's a Cal 2-30. Not usually considered a "cruising" boat. But, most Cals of that era are pretty solid; and he has beefed this one up quite a bit. At least one Cal 2-27 has circumnavigated. I wouldn't be surprised if a 2-30 has also.

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Anyway, in an 8000-mile passage, let's say he carries 50 gallons diesel, uses what, half-gallon to a gallon per hour, it's a few hundred miles, but if he's fortunate with the trades he won't motor much.

So I'm just wondering why he's making "engineless" such a big deal, it's not like it hasn't been done for hundreds of years, and even unintentionally nowadays, when a motor conks out during a passage.
True enough. As I alluded to in an earlier post, many people have done it. However, engines do have advantages (as well as disadvantages). At the very least they provide a bit of redundancy for power generation. But, there have been many folks who have completed long passages w/o an engine. David and Daniel Hays (father and son) sailed down the East Coast, through the Panama Canal, around Cape Horn, and back to New England in a 25 foot engineless Vertue (I can't imagine not being able to get more than 25 feet from my old man for weeks at a time). But, they didn't have any refrigeration, or radar, or SSB, or watermaker, or weatherfax, or lap-top computers, et cetera.

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His first boat did not have an engine.

His first boat sank.

Conclusion is obvious.

As for the Dumas, Slocum, Baldwin et al .... ptooeee , what have they done lately hmmm ???

Come one now ... provided you are willing to accept the vagaries of the weather without a donk to get you through the inevitable lulls I can find little argument against engineless when on passage. Yes for me and for many of you the ability to fire up the beast when all is crash bank slatting in a dead calm with a swell is a must be for some it is quite aceptable.

Perhaps the issue of inland waterways and getting in and out of crowded harbours is more of a relevent anti but even so I wonder why this issue raises such passion.

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