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Uh oh...Sailed the new First 30 yesterday....

Well, I wanted to not ilke it...I wanted the wife to not like it...I even took a sailing buddy who hates Beneteau's hoping he would not like it...After sailing 3 hours in San Diego...We all LOVED it. Its a smoother boat than the S30 for sure. The S30 transmits just about every bump and wake to the cockpit, where the First 30 did not transmit anything...Even big wakes and chop were barely felt...Ok...but hows the performance....NUTS. Its insane how well this boat sails...I am sure that the North 3DL sails had a lot to do with it, but it moved through the water very well...The sail deck layout was nice...it allowed VERY easy tacking. In fact the tacking was amazingly fast due to the smaller headsail than the S30 which has an absolutely huge headsail and the twin rudders allowed it to turn on a dime. The S30 is a very responsive boat, this was soooo fast in its responses it was insane. The tiller on the First 30 was a dream...built in extension. Super nice. It also had plenty of room for people...unlike the cockpit of the S30, We had 4 in the cockpit with room for more while sailing. I usually will have no more than 2 more people with me in the S30 because of space. The interior is big...and livable...The wife went down during the sail and made a few phone calls...Thats more than she has been down below in our boat in 6 months combined. All lines were ran aft and were easily reachable for singlehanded sailing. The ONE thing that bothered me a bit was the location of the main and traveller sheets. They are on the cockpit floor. It was a bit odd to me, but I could get used to it. Did I mention how fast it was? It was a rocket. Fast yet felt stable...felt like a bigger heavier boat than it is when it comes to the rougher stuff, yet it seemed light and nimble in its handling. Pretty impressive. Now the big question...is it 15x the fun of the S30? Because thats about how much more it costs than my S30...I'm not sure....2 times, maybe...3x? Don't know...but 15x? Probably not...that still doesn't mean that I am not considering it...Its a lot of $$$...but you do get a lot of boat for the $$$. If I got this, I'd do a few races....just because I could! lol....
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Oh oh.......

Nice to hear such positives, glad you had a good day. So, a bit of a reality check.. will it fit in your slip? Length wise, yes but she's a bit beamier, no?

I would expect that boat with good sails and some gear on board will crack $150K but that's a bit of a WAG.. so maybe 10xs your current investment? That's a lot of coin.

Oh.. and I don't believe 'you didn't want to like it'!

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hold fast to that practical urge......

I don't know for sure but it sounds like the hook set on the first strike!
Sounds fun....glad I didn't go!
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Welcome to modern performance cruisers Now, you can try the Elan 310 and the A31 just to see which is the one that gives you more fun....and the one your wife will permit you to have, I mean, the one she really likes

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Yeah its beamier...I'm in a mooring so I don't have any issues with it....I got a sweet deal on the S30, so its more like 15x my current investment...thats including me doing the bottom paint.

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Yeah its beamier...I'm in a mooring so I don't have any issues with it....I got a sweet deal on the S30, so its more like 15x my current investment...thats including me doing the bottom paint.
Another thing to consider is that a contemporary boat is a LOT bigger than an older boat with the same LOA - How does the Bene compare to your Santana when you look at LWL, Beam, Disp, S/A etc? A lot bigger isn't it? For apples to apples, you should probably be looking at something around 26'. The price jump would change a bit there as well.

For example, my friends current model Hunter 38 is pretty well the same size boat as my Columbia 43. It has more useable interior volume as well, but my boat KILLS on stowage space. I have cockpit lockers that would be aft cabins on a new boat.
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Ah. Yes it seems the first 30 is actually a bigger boat in many ways than even an S35. Which is Beamer than my boat but just a bit more LWL than mine. That's what the previous owner of my boat moved up to.

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Well. That's a good point. Twice during the sail we had to clean the rudders off because we were dragged down by kelp. I thought maybe it was a San Diego thing. Never been sailing in that harbor so I didn't know what to make of it.

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Kelp is a signficant issue in SoCal coastal waters, San Diego, Santa Barbara, and even outside of Newport Harbor.

The First 30 is a fine machine, but if you think there was a problem with kelp on the rudders yesterday, imagine the keel. The forward extended bulb on the F30 Is fabulous for stability and a high powered sail plan - but a vertible kelp collector. Disastrous for SoCal waters.

Did you end up going past Point Loma ?
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