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Re: L. Francis Herreshoff - boat designer... and guns

If you go back even further in American history, citizens were required to have guns and to carry them with them while outside the settlement. Just another historical fact.
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If you go back even further in American history, citizens were required to have guns and to carry them with them while outside the settlement. Just another historical fact.
And it was perfectly legal for a husband to beat his wife and kids as much as he pleased. Things DO change.

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You bet. The USA was built on them.
And it was also built on slavery and indentured servitude.

Time to look around folks; this is the 21st Century, NOT the 18th.
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Time to look around folks; this is the 21st Century, NOT the 18th.
Yeah. You would think someone would have come up with a reliable marine head by now.
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Re: L. Francis Herreshoff - boat designer... and guns

I am another one of those who in the '60's would bring a .22 to school, and we were a suburb of a major city here in Canada.

Teachers would tell us to make sure they were locked in our lockers, and then wished us good luck and be careful when we went gopher hunting after school. No one thought twice about it, and we were in grade 6 and 7.

The RCMP would stop by every now and then, ask how things were doing, and remind us not to shoot towards the highway that was right beside the field we were in.

Times sure have changed. We knew gun control as knowing where and where not to point the barrel, loaded or not loaded, and yes, we were kids.
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yes things have changed! Growing up (I was born in '66) no self-respecting guy went anywhere without a pocket knife - and we all learned how to shoot a 22- to start with.

BTW, I've been looking for a copy of that (or other) Francis Herreshoff book as he designed the boat I'm in the process of buying - and he was quite dogmatic with all his opinions. As a woman, I would have to beg to differ with many of those opinions. However, I get where he's coming from- a different age and a different America -and I still enjoy the reading. I've seen a quote several times - something to the effect that if you changed the design of his H-28 one tiny bit, then the birds would not continue to sing over the companionway - or something to that effect. Too sad, as I have a flushing head and no cedar bucket on board!

Still love the boat, though, even if it is made of "frozen snot" not wood.

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That sounds like an interesting boat. The photos I've seen of boats built to his design show low, lean, graceful boats that look fast and very attractive. He seems to be practical above all, I'll bet today he'd really like fiberglass. I know I do, and I was raised on wooden boats.

I didn't notice that quote, but he does have strong opinions and seemed to like his H-28 the best overall.

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I've seen a quote several times - something to the effect that if you changed the design of his H-28 one tiny bit, then the birds would not continue to sing over the companionway - or something to that effect. Too sad, as I have a flushing head and no cedar bucket on board!
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Amy, it's at the beginning of the same chapter as the gun in the cabin. He has already explained the advantage of the outside ballast over inside ballast, which makes the difference between safe groundings and breaking up, and between a clean bilge and a smelly mess. He also specifies bent ribs, not sawn (much greater strength), and wire shrouds and stays, not rope fiber (deadeyes, at least I think that is what deadeyes means, a bit before my time).


"If the H-28's design is only slightly changed, the whole balance may" (note the word 'may', less dogmatic than usual) "be thrown out. If you equip her with deadeyes, build her with sawn frames, or fill her virgin bilge with ballast, the birds will no longer carol over her, nor will the odors arising from the cabin make poetry, nor will you soul be fortified against a world of warlords, politicians, and fakers."


So, I think you will be fine. I'm sure he'd approve of fiberglass, he is always concerned with the least expensive and most efficient way to build, and he specified wood that resisted rotting (fiberglass is the best 'wood' for bending and rot resistance). No cedar bucket, well, that's just in with removable add ons really. He also mentions "As for the proportions of beam and draft, we cannot suit all unless we design a rubber boat." So I think he'd be 'flexible' even there.
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Re: L. Francis Herreshoff - boat designer... and guns

AmySpins seems to at least be aware of LFH's famous quotes. Would he like fibreglass ? Well he most certainly did not at first acquaintance.

"It looks like frozen snot".
-L. Francis Herreshoff, looking at a Herreshoff Bullseye built of fiberglass.
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Interesting post. Thanks. And yes, times sure have changed...for the better, and the worse. Just glad to still be a part of them!
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Re: L. Francis Herreshoff - boat designer... and guns

I would think the matching gun to the H28 would be a Winchester Model 12 pump gun. 12 gauge of course.
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