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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

Piece of cake...Done this trasnsit over 50 times. Listen to the advice on currents and proper timing and there will be no problem. Watch the tugs pushing barges at the turn out of the East River through Hell gate as its a blind corner.. Two memeorable trips...1- Inmates yelling out at us through the bars at Rikers Island and 2- doing 13.4 on the chartplotter with the current squeezing us like ketchup out a bottle through the "Gate" down the East River and following the outgoing tide under the Verazzano and out New York Harbor. That day we went from Port Jefferson to Barnegat Inlet in 12 hours or so a distyance of 84 miles ( averaged 7 knots) Doing 13.4 through the gate felt like driving on "black ice" didnt even want to trun the helm.

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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

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I agree, which is why I asked here 1st.
I won't try it until I understand what's involved.
I will also get an experienced (possibly hired) hand to help out the 1st time
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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

btw is there a good course out there for navigation, tides, chart reading and planning? would love to take it
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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

2- doing 13.4 on the chartplotter with the current squeezing us like ketchup out a bottle through the "Gate" down the East River and following the outgoing tide under the Verazzano and out New York Harbor. That day we went from Port Jefferson to Barnegat Inlet in 12 hours or so a distyance of 84 miles ( averaged 7 knots) Doing 13.4 through the gate felt like driving on "black ice" didnt even want to trun the helm.

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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

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I agree, which is why I asked here 1st.
I won't try it until I understand what's involved.
I will also get an experienced (possibly hired) hand to help out the 1st time
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He11, if the timing worked out I'd go with you for the price of train fare back home. I live in lower Manhattan and have transited the East River a bunch of times.
You could drop me off anywhere on LI or the CT side. LIRR or Amtrak/MetroNorth would make it easy for me to jump ship and get home.

PM me if interested.
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Hell Gate Tide Animation

Courtesy of Stevens Institute in NJ:

http://hudson.dl.stevens-tech.edu/ma...ncontrol.shtml

Scroll through a couple of times to get a feel for how the currents work.

Also, check out ActiveCaptain.com for anchorages if you think you want to wait out the current. Good ones include Little Bay (under the Throgs Neck Bridge) before heading down the East River and between the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island (watch for well-marked security zones) before heading up the Hudson River.
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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

Here's info from one of the Tug Jockeys who regularly travels the East River that Ive been using for the past 10± years. I dont remember his name but Ive found its REAL GOOD advice:

"Use Eldrige Tide Tables to plan to cross Hell Gate at SLACK WATER.
Your best bet is to plan the trip so as to keep moving, if your ahead of scedule run slower rather than just stopping. As a tug guy I want any pleasure craft to be predictable, I am relying on it really, which means not going in circles in confined areas. If you must stop for a bit, going east through the river I would wait well north of the battery. From there south there is just too much current as well as tug, ferry, and dinner boat traffic to be tacking or motoring around with no purpose. People do, but you asked.

"Coming the other way there is plenty of room anywhere east of the 'Brothers', but you need to be aware of the little stuff, sand scows etc. coming off moorings, coming and going from Flushing Bay, and the other little creeks. Most traffic is passing trough. Listen to channel 13!! Most tug guys dont really want to talk to you, but they probably will. Your best bet is to listen so you know what is happening around you. If you want to talk make your life easier by making your transmissions short, and knowing the difference between one whistle and two both meeting and overtaking. Plenty of recreational passes through everyday. Its really not a huge deal, but if you do decide to hit slack water in all likelyhood you will encounter a greater number of commercial vessels. Another radio hint, listen to vessel traffic, the east river is channel 12, anything moving through the East River checks in at the Throgsneck or Brooklyn Bridge, and each time somebody checks in they get a rundown of all the traffic and their locations. It would be kind of like listening in on a weather net. Channel 12 is also anchorage control and the Kills south of the AK Railroad Bridge so dont get you landmarks confused.
Todd is right most of the commercial traffic especially the big stuff tries to hit slack water or within 30 minutes to an hour either side of it. Thats not to say there wont be traffic at all stages of the tide, but it is not uncommon to have multiple units on both sides of the gates stacked up waiting on each other to get through. A week ago I was fourth in line on my side coming around N. Brother Island. You need the current tables for slack water, the tide tables wont help you here. I would agree that if your boat can manage it ride the flood through planing to be at least to Rikers Island an hour before Slack at the gate, beware of the current from pier 17 through the Williamsburgh bridge as they are very strong here and you will not want to be against them.
Going North start your trip at the Battery 2 hours after the low. Going south start your trip from Throgs Neck 2 hours after high at the Battery.
Wear PFD's, stay in the center, have a sharp lookout for barge traffic coming around corners. Have your VHF on Ch13 and an air horn handy. Know what one blast means, as distinct from 2. Have a camera ready at all times for magnificant views, and 2 days after a heavy rain,a boat hook ready, if you see any bodies or other debris that may foul your passageway.
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Re: Best Route from Mahattan to LI Sound

It certainly doesn't hurt to have tide charts, but any marine GPS will have tide charts built in. just punch in your location and it's all there.
I do suggest you have a decent GPS unit on board.
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