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Tafa,

Putting the hull/deck in an oven is many times a pretty common thing to do these days. I personally would not worry about that part of a boat I was going to buy. Many also heat and put some of the parts in a vacuum bag to help the resin get thru the cloth/glass part too. This helps keeps the hull/deck light, along with being strong.

But as we all know, the human factor can be an issue with all manufacturing processes, so while something maybe a great way to build, if the humans do not do it correctly.....might as well be the worst way! then again, the worst way done with great care, may be better than the Best way with no care!

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Paulo, I look at that and realise my criticism was either unjustified or more likely out of date. That is a lot of boat (interior) for 38'. Not much of a lazarette but hey, something has to give.


No, not really. As I have said it was only the smaller boats that looked good. After that they got worst, less warm and more impersonal, or at least it is what I feel. It has nothing to do with quality, just with design.

For what I have seen from the new Bavaria Vision it seems they are finally improving. I hope that design quality reaches the cruiser series too.







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Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Paolo,
That's a LOT of boat. What model is that?

I know what you mean about some boats feeling impersonal. It's something that can be hard to judge from pictures. But it's something you definitely FEEL when you step below.

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That's a LOT of boat. What model is that?

I know what you mean about some boats feeling impersonal. It's something that can be hard to judge from pictures. But it's something you definitely FEEL when you step below.

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Jim, that is the new Bavaria Vision 46. I will bet that it will be nominated to next year European Boat of the year contest and it is a very innovative boat and one that seems to be made with living aboard on mind without compromising too much sailing potential. As you say the interior looks good, at least on the photos, and it seems a big improvement over what Bavaria used to offer.

When they have photos of the boat in the water I will post about it on the interesting sailboats thread. I will be following this one and I will be interested in knowing if its sailing performance is as good as the last Vision series. You know, the Vision series surprisingly sailed better than the Cruising series even it its looks suggested otherwise.



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Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

Honestly, I'm a bit miffed.

At 3:12 in the video I find that I must choose between an on-demand coffee maker OR beer on tap.

I fail to see the humor.
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We boarded the 2012 36ft'er at the Toronto Boat Show, and I swooned over the (BMW) interior...Maybe it was just the show boat, but the fit and finish were beautiful, and I liked it over the Bennie and the Dufour that were nearby.

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Honestly, I'm a bit miffed.

At 3:12 in the video I find that I must choose between an on-demand coffee maker OR beer on tap.

I fail to see the humor.
Well, the Guys will want the beer, the wives will want the coffee. It will be a coffee machine in 95% of the boats but anyway they want to show that they have tried to have a beer on tap there

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- They have an accelerated Hull/deck manufacturing process. At that time, they were laying fiberglass layers wet on wet and Drying the hull/deck in a gigantic oven. Some seasoned sailor friends thinks it's not the best way to make fiberglass hull/deck. May cause osmosis problems in the future. (I don't actually know how other mass boat producers are manufacturing the hull. This is just and observation and comment)Tafa
Autoclaving is about the BEST method for curing plastic resin - as long as it is tailored to the process - it's what they do with carbon spars for example. It's only the cost of the huge oven that has kept it from becoming the standard process everywhere.

Just think - you can take the time you need to lay out the fabric - no rush "before it kicks", just get everything just so, then bake it.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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Well, the Guys will want the beer, the wives will want the coffee. It will be a coffee machine in 95% of the boats but anyway they want to show that they have tried to have a beer on tap there

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Hey Paulo,
do they run that coffee machine off shore power/inverter or has someone finally come up with a half decent 12v espresso machine ?
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Re: What is your opinion of Bavaria's?

That is an incredible boat, no doubt about it. Comparing it to my 1970 43' is laughable - you'd need an old Columbia 57 to even come close to that level of spaciousness. The bosun's locker is wonderful - almost as big as ONE of my cockpit lockers.

I have a couple of questions - how much $$$?

Is it just me or does the perfection of finish on the teak on new boats make it look artificial? My friends Hunter has that same kind of flawless finish and to me it looks like Arborite. I'd be tempted to go over it with a brush, just to introduce a little soul into it.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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