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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

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That picture gives "Too close to a lee shore" a new meaning. What the H are they thinking?
They aren't - that's the problem. There seems to be a psychology out there that racing obviates common good seamanship - "but they were racing" seems to be regarded as a valid explanation for wet noodle rigs, keels falling off, lightly built hulls being stove in by hitting the back of a wave and on and on.

Winning a toy boat race is never worth risking peoples lives.

Maybe it's time for marine insurance policies to be void when racing - it is for cars and nobody thinks anything about it - it's just expected - and they can get out and walk back if something goes wrong..
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Links to any hard Facts?

Smack, do you have any links to the hard facts concerning Low Speed Chase? Were they doing a port or starboard rounding? Did the boat come ashore on Maintop Island? The photo you posted looks to me is of a port rounding at North Farallone and being shot with a telephoto lens, makes it look a lot closer than it probably was. The Farallones sit right at the edge of the continental shelf and there is deep water right up to the islands. But with the sea bottom rising a thousand feet (or more) less than two NM from the islands, makes the windward side of the island pretty treacherous. I last did this race two years ago which had similar conditions to what was shown on the Utube clips.

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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

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That picture gives "Too close to a lee shore" a new meaning. What the H are they thinking?
Pictures are often leading. From the camera view point, it is hard to judge the actual distance.
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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

No matter what the facts are in this situation, it was tragic and fathers, brothers, sons and friends lost their lives. My thoughts and prayers go out to the survivors and the families who lost their loved ones.
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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

Here's another video of the race. The accident is mentioned. If you look around there are other videos available of the race.

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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

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Can't you refrain from pronouncing judgement about what they did "wrong" and how (in your opinion) it "never should have happened" until a couple of days have gone by and the dead have at least been recovered? Their families may very well read these comments.

"When there's an accident at sea, there are many wise men on shore". Let's show a little restraint, huh, until we know all of what actually happened?
X100. Absolutely. We must be sensitive and respective to the families who lost their love one. In time, we will learn about the story.

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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

I am deeply saddened about this loss within our sailing community. We, as sailors choose to pursue an advocation that involves inherent risk. We each do what we can to minimize that risk to a level which is acceptable to ourselves as individuals.

As newcomers to sailing it is easy to under-estimate the risk and as old sea dogs it is easy to become a little complacient. It is events like this which remind us of our mortality and humanity. It is at moments like this that the closeness of the fraternity/sorority of sailing becomes all so very obvious, as we each deal with the pathos of the loss of our brothers and sister seafarers. All too often there is a rush to judgement when something tragic occurs. I agree with the sentiments of those above who suggest that we give pause to mourn the loss before we call the court of public opinion into session to condemn the survivors.

At this point there is a lot of missing information about what happened. And even above there appears to be a fair amount of misinformation, at least as compared to the more detailed reports that I had seen. There seems to be an assumption that Low-Speed-Chase had ventured too close to the rocks when the initial incident occurred. At this point, I have not seen anything which confirms that to be true. The more detailed report that I had seen, described fairly large (15 or so feet), breaking waves which were inconsistent in direction and size. The descriptions that I have seen suggests that 4 or 5 of the crew were thrown overboard when the boat was rolled onto beam ends by a larger than usual wave. They were all wearing life jackets, nothing was said one way or the other about harnesses or teathers.

The remaining crew turned back to try to recover the MOB's and in doing so were rolled by another wave, which drove them into a rock. What seems clear is that the three crewman on board risked their own lives to try to recover the crew who were washed over and in doing so apparently were driven into the rocks. There probably will be a lot more to this than the scimpy details released so. So at this point, it would seem to me that the evidence is way too scant for the self-appointed jury of the court of public opinion to deliver a meaningful verdict.

As in almost any disaster there may be insights and lessons to be learned. The best memorial to our fallen compatriots may be to attempt to make a good faith effort to learn from thier loss to help prevent similar future losses without trying to cast unsupported blame.

May the those who were lost, rest in peace, and may their families and friends find comfort.

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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

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>I'm not sure clipping in would have saved anyone, if the boat was rolled twice and >pushed up onto the rocks...

It seems that the grounding happened as the boat tried to pick up the MOB. I can see some risks being taken or poor choices being made in the heat of the action there. Recovering tethered crew would be much quicker with less drifting toward the rocks.
Rolled? where do you have heard or read that?!!!!

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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

Guys - this is the latest I've seen with an actual quote from the skipper via USCG:

Coast Guard halts high-seas hunt for boaters off San Francisco - latimes.com

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The vessel master, who was rescued, told the Coast Guard that when the yacht rounded the south Farallon Island a series of waves broke over the boat and flipped it several times, dumping seven of the eight people aboard into the frigid water. Read said the crew members were wearing cold weather gear and life vests.
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Re: One dead, four missing in Farallones sailboat race

At least one other yacht was within eyesight, and its horrified crew watched the tragedy unfold but was unable to help in the tumultuous waves.

"It's a disaster - they were inside, too close to the rocks," said one of the onlooking sailors, Steve Hocking, a Sausalito Yacht Club member who finished the race in a 45-foot craft. "Once you get in that close and a wave hits you like that, it rolls you over. There's not much you can do.

"The power of those waves is incredible.
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Church said the Low Speed Chase's crew members were preparing themselves for races leading up to the 2013 America's Cup in San Francisco, and because of that they may have been pushing themselves hard. But that in itself should not have led to a wreck, she and others said.

"If anyone can turn that corner, it would have been them," Church said. "These were some of the best sailors around."



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/15/MN6R1O3L4D.DTL&ao=2#ixzz1sFLYRu1i"




The conditions during Saturday's race were typically rough, but Low Speed Chase ran into trouble when it was broadsided by a large wave and some crew members were swept overboard, he said.
As the boat was turning around to get them, a second wave flung all but one of the remaining crew members into the water and the yacht aground, Lynch said. At least one other boat in the race witnessed the accident, but was unable to render aid without endangering its crew, he said.

The vessel master told investigators the yacht was rolled several times by the waves, the Coast Guard said.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/15...#ixzz1sFPGlSq4

It seems to me that the boat was broadsided by a first wave and lost crew overboard. The remaining crew turned around to pick the men overboard and then was hit by other waves and rolled. It seems the most likely set of events because if the first wave had rolled the boat probably they would not be in sailing conditions to immediately turn the boat around and try to pick the ones in the water.


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