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I have had it with inboards

The beast in the bowells of the slug has cost me a lot of money, aggravation and lost sailing time over the past four years of sailing around Britain

It is running at the moment - but is stuck in forward gear - so far I have replaced the bearings, engine mounts, rear coupling, exhaust system

the dynastart frightens me to death, the fuel line is less than perfect. The installation is 50 years old and is squeezed into a stupidly small space

every job on the engine involves keyhole surgery

The cabin smells of diesel and as a back up I have to live with an 2.5 hp Honda that is always in the way - I am perpetually moving the outboard on and off the bracket, into the cabin, into the cockpit, onto the pushpit rail. I also have both diesel and petrol on board.

In addition three times the prop has got caught up in fishing gear - I know it is fishing gear because it is blue polyprop - one lot did for the stern drive the other for the cutlass - I then had to put the boat aground and remove the stuff from around the prop

with an outboard I could have brought the thing aboard, cleared the ropes off - replaced the shear pin and got under way

so one way or another the beast has one more year with me - much less if it craps out on me again

I hate the sound of the outboard and find the low thump from the diesel lump quite easy to live with

By the the end of the summer I hope to either find a replacement boat that has an outboard in a well

or

if work flow lets me down I shall just chuck out the old beast and cut a well in the stern locker of the slug - right in line with the rudder.

I could ;put an outboard on a bracket - but some of the waters I face as I work my way up to scotland means that the outboard will spend part of its life stirring nothing more than wet air as the boat pitches around

Has anyone done this on a small boat - and how hard is it to design a well that gives the outboard enough room to breath and does not rip the back of the boat up - transferring the load to the rest of the boat does not seem like a simple thing to do

this is the beast



and this is the brochure for the mirror offshore

Mirror Offshore sales brochure « Keep Turning Left

I would like the well to be under the round hatch at the back of the boat

any suggestions and enlightenment gratefully received

Dylan
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Re: I have had it with inboards

What are whinging about, some of us would kill to have that much excess to the engine. That black in the water looks more like soot rather than oil. If It was mine I would rebuild that beautiful donk, might even have a go yourself it not that hard.
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What are whinging about, some of us would kill to have that much excess to the engine. That black in the water looks more like soot rather than oil. If It was mine I would rebuild that beautiful donk, might even have a go yourself it not that hard.
believe me it is darned tight in there

I have wasted so much time on the engine - mounts, coupling, cutlass - all gone west - engine currently stuck in forwards, unreliable starterthen there is the dynastart (which a bit of engineering history)

propping the the thing up has hoovered up too much money, time and enthusiasm

it has managed to contrive lots of things to go wrong and I can see that it has more to come

in addition, our coast are littered with fisherman's stuff - their darned polyprop gets round the prop - three times so far - bloody frightening

if you want the engine come and take it out

I really love sailing - I hate staring at the engine wondering how I to fix the latest problem

volvo no longer support the engine for spares

the only time you ever see these things are at ag shows driving mangle choppers

and I am slowly sailing around the UK in the boat - I have the north of scotland to deal with

so the beast has to go

cutting a well might allow me to keep the boat

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Re: I have had it with inboards

I'm with you I would rather have an outboard then an inboard that seems 10x more expensive and far harder to work on. I sailed my Chrysler C-26 a few hundred miles with out an engine when I first bought it and only used the engine to get in and out of port, knowing that I had a sailboat to sail not motor. My C-26 had much more interior room then my E-32 does because it had an out-board.
As far as the niose, I found the outboard even being a 2 stroke was much quieter then our diesel.. Find some on to buy your Volvo and get a good 15 hp outboard and you will be much happier.
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Re: I have had it with inboards

I slapped an outboard bracket on the transom of my 27 and ran a British Seagull for a couple months while replacing my diesel. It might have been better with a larger outboard, but it couldn't push the boat anything like the inboard can. Rough waters and strong headwinds were a nightmare.

I had a Westerbeke 10 Two that wouldn't run with rusted out engine rails and a bad transmission. I yanked it all and found a salvage Kubota-based motor that was still currently being produced for $500. I yanked all the marinized parts off of it, rebuilt the transmission and spent another $2k on a brand new long block. Cut new oak stringers, stuck all the marinized parts and transmission on the new kubota long block, and put it all back in.

Two years running so far with no problems. Starts right up every time. Pushes through the wind and waves far better than an outboard.

Starters and alternators are about $80. I could replace one a year, and it would be 10 years before it would cost me what they wanted for one Westerbeke starter for that old 10 Two.

I really think the key to a good inboard experience is to update to something that's still being made, so that parts are easy to get and not prohibitively expensive.

As for your fishing line on the prop problem, I don't really have any good advice.
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Re: I have had it with inboards

I have a 15 hp 4 stroke, long shaft with the big "sailboat" prop on it..vented fuel locker out in the cockpit

Quiet, reliable smooth and plenty of power.. I like it... I also have an over the stern rudder so it's not like it's cluttering up the back...

My buddy has an inboard diesel refit...seems "reliable" but takes up saloon room and there is always that "diesel smell" lingering in and on everything....
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Re: I have had it with inboards

Bet you won't get fifty years of service from an outboard.
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Re: I have had it with inboards

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Bet you won't get fifty years of service from an outboard.
50 years of aggravation

although to be fair this one has only given me four years of angst, mental trauma, financial assualts, honk of dieselly bilges.

My previous boat had an outboard and I used to clean the bilges with a dustpan and brush.

now ithe bilges are a sloppy polluted scummy stinking soup down there - it is a a case of pump, sluice, pump every time you sail, bilgex, pump a bit more, a squirt of washing up liquid

cutlass glands are designed to leak - what is all that about?

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Bet you won't get fifty years of service from an outboard.
Some of them old SeaGulls have been around for awhile...

Beside if it does go out...it's a 20 minute "refit"...
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Re: I have had it with inboards

For the state of your inboard, it might be worth going to an outboard. However, in general I believe inboards are much more reliable. Might be worth poking around the boatyard to see if there are any stern locker outboards you could examine.
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