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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

The older C&Cs had significant sheer, and sometimes when the jib lead block was fully forward for a small jib the lead back to the winch would be a bit too flat, leading to increased overrides.

On the vid that Denise posted you can see a turning block at the aft end of the track just in front of the winch. This is a good way to keep your sheet lead to the winch consistent regardless of the actual jib car position on the track. Our sheets go through a rail mounted snatch block for similar reasons, and also to avoid chafing the port side coaming and cabinside (since the sheet must lead to the inboard edge of the drum.. another common issue on plenty of boats)

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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

first, you only need ONE wrap around a self tailing winch for it to work. remember you are pulling on the tail in the top of the winch.. multi wraps will over-ride, and cause havoc when tacing fast..
your block or car for the sheet should be adjusted for the sail trim.. move it forward for a fat shape in lite air and further back when trimming..
the design you have on your boat is flawless and proven, dont try to change anything, might get someone with some experance to show you the ropes, (so to speak)
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first, you only need ONE wrap around a self tailing winch for it to work. remember you are pulling on the tail in the top of the winch....
You have to be kidding? With one wrap on a winch you will never even get the tail into the selftailer, because the sail's load will have taken the sheet completely out of your hands.

You need at least three turns for a winch to carry a load, four or more for smaller lines. You will never get a sheet trimmed with one turn on a winch. I guess, possibly, if you put one turn on and set the tail in the selftailer before any load gets on thee sheet, maybe the selftailer will hold a single turn on a winch (but I greatly doubt it..), however you'd be making the slowest tack in town by a mile.

PS - OP, are you getting overrides before you have the sheet trinmed as far as you can by hand? If so, you may have too many turns initially, you should have only 1-2 turns when first trimming by hand, when the sheet load builds add additional turns, set ithe tail into the self tailer and start cranking...

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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

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They may have been removed at some point by a PO, but may be hiding someplace on the boat.

See if you can find something that looks something like this:


It slides along the T-track, allowing you to fine tune the shape of your foresail at different points of sail.
Here is what was in the box of pullys and stuff



Any idea what this might be for??
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Looking at your photos it looks like you should be able to run your sheets directly from the sail, to the sheet lead block on the track and up to the winch. I found some photos of C&C 35-1's racing and that is how they are rigged (see picture below).

Also, to clarify Profin's comment, in U.S. parlance the forward block on the track, which the jib sheet is first led to is a jib sheet lead block. If there is a second block that redirects the jib sheet, that is a turning block. It does not appear that the C&C 35-1 uses turning blocks, just sheet lead blocks.

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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

My winches are more forward then yours so I've put the Jib turning block behind the winch for the Genoa and move them way forward for the working jib. Also any block with a turn of more then 90 degrees will reduce the "effort" for pulling or even for winching. The cam cleat you see holding the traveler line is really for when I single hand the jib sheets.

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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

I will be sailing by my self. the PO was a singlehanded racer. I will use the track with a pully for the sheets?
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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

The main halyard is hooked to a sliding eye for storage only.. but that's where you might put one of those blocks, using one of the springs to hold it upright.. although in your earlier pics of hardware I don't see a real, proper genoa car. But in your bag of tricks you may find a single sheave block with a swivel shackle, around which the springs would fit to hold the block upright. Attach that to the sliding eye currently shown with the halyard stowed on it.

The tracks should/would look like this; a more common style of jib/genoa car is the next image



Winches marked 'jib winch?' is your main headsail sheeting winch, usually called the "primary".

The aft facing clutch on the coaming is a bit of a mystery (maybe backstay adjuster? -it looks like you've got a backstay tensioner on the split, but it's not going anywhere) It (the clutch) is facing the wrong way for any jib sheet action.

The winch marked Main sheet winch? would be for the various lines that are supposed to be led aft through the clutches - likely all your halyards and perhaps some reeflines, vang, cunningham etc. Similar setup both sides of the hatch, I imagine.

This boat was obviously well looked after at some point, and pretty well rigged and equipped. You really hit a bit of a gold mine here. I hope you're able to put the big picture together soon.

Here's a shot of our boat, you can't see the jib car lead but you can see the sheet run down towards it, aft to the block on the toerail, and then up to the winch on the coaming.

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Re: Not Sure Wich Winch to use

Your jibsheet car that the main halyard is clipped to, should have a block on it like this:
You feed your jib sheet through that and onto the winch.
The winches on the cabin are going to be for halyards and anything else that gets led through the clutches up there. Maybe spin sheets too.
The clutch behind the main winch, wouldn't think that was for the jib sheet, more likely for furling line, downhaul or something like that perhaps.

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