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Re: Respect in Posting

So what everyone is saying basically is.....

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Re: Respect in Posting

Yah, time to be more civilized and kind and talk about anchors, guns on board, circumnavigation for beginners, and the rules of marine heads.
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OK.

Well I was circumnavigating with a chinese made anchor and a beginner who didn't know the rules of Marine Heads then A gun onboard would be very handy indeed
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Re: Respect in Posting

Honestly, I've found the sailing forums to be pretty damned polite in comparison both to other (active) sailing forums I've visited and to online forums in general. Even the ones that are quite aggravating when they get the political hats on (i.e. in "Off Topic" subforum, aka The Sewer) are polite and informative for the most part in the threads that really matter - the ones on sailing.

I can understand the frustration at double-standards, as that is a pet hate of mine too. That said, even when that occurs I think the mods & community do reasonable job of keeping it within limits in the threads that matter. Hell, even The Sewer is more polite in general than your average thread on SA where vile abuse & misogyny is deemed perfectly acceptable.

Honestly, I think we have (to quote Shakespeare again) "much ado about nothing"
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Re: Respect in Posting

I confess that this thread has me pretty baffled. This place has much improved over the last year. Let's all take a deep breath and realize that it really isn't all that bad.

I feel that the three people that this thread seems to revolve around are really good contributors who for the most part, treat people with respect. You guys each have your own personality quirks, but accept them for exactly that- quirks or eccentricities, if you will.

Let's not turn this place into Cruiser's Forum where no dissent is tolerated and we speak in hushed voices, lest someone cry.
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Re: Respect in Posting

I agree c2s,a good rule of thumb would be to post as if one was talking face to face [yeah i've had my share of brusing about my head and shoulders before],i love rhum but it often makes me think my boat is bigger than it really is,I think most of all of us that have been on this forum for a while has had some bumping of heads but we should be especially helpful and respectful of the new comers
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Re: Respect in Posting

Noble sentiment but it aint gonna happen.

If you're gonna post on an Internet forum, you're gonna have to deal with the Internet bullies. They're on every forum out there, not just SN. This posting etiquette issue is just a fact of participation in the medium.

These folks would never, ever say these things to your face. They know they'd get thumped, and do not have the strength of character to "man up".

When I read the posts of an Internet Bully, I just laugh inside. I envision a pathetic, fat, balding, middle aged guy who drives a mini-van, has a horribly controlling wife, makes no decisions, is always told what to do and how to do it, even his kids walk all over him, and out in public would never ever, under any circumstances, confront another man. In fact, he'd run away, quietly suffering the indignation of cowardice....until he gets home and can talk the smack on the forums.

Funny thing is, these folks actually believe they're anonymous. I don't care how many redirectors or "anonymizers" you use....TCP/IP packets must arrive and depart your location...and every packet can be opened, read and traced. Period. Another thing the IB's fail to grasp is that these forums are owned by large corporations...with deep pockets....and a legal staff ready to go after them.

I've seen this action happen. One guy was a serious troll. He'd post smack, get banned, and come back on a new account. He also had several sock puppets, who would always "agree" with his posts...that in and of itself is rather frightening...anyway, mods got sick of it and involved the server admins who identified the guy, and they turned the legal team on him. Problem went away and the forum admins were very vocal about identifying the guy and posting the legal proceedings (no details, just case #).

On another forum, one of the mods posted an IB's identity and physical address. Another poster posted a Google Maps link with a picture of his house. The IB started making threats of deadly force against anyone who came to his house....police got involved....attorneys got involved...then all posts vanished (from public view) and the mods posted requesting everyone stop talking about it, and any new posts would be deleted. Don't know how this one ended up but the dude never came back.

Yeah...it's an interesting medium to be sure....
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Re: Respect in Posting

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Noble sentiment but it aint gonna happen.

If you're gonna post on an Internet forum, you're gonna have to deal with the Internet bullies. They're on every forum out there, not just SN. This posting etiquette issue is just a fact of participation in the medium.

These folks would never, ever say these things to your face. They know they'd get thumped, and do not have the strength of character to "man up".

When I read the posts of an Internet Bully, I just laugh inside. I envision a pathetic, fat, balding, middle aged guy who drives a mini-van, has a horribly controlling wife, makes no decisions, is always told what to do and how to do it, even his kids walk all over him, and out in public would never ever, under any circumstances, confront another man. In fact, he'd run away, quietly suffering the indignation of cowardice....until he gets home and can talk the smack on the forums.

Funny thing is, these folks actually believe they're anonymous. I don't care how many redirectors or "anonymizers" you use....TCP/IP packets must arrive and depart your location...and every packet can be opened, read and traced. Period. Another thing the IB's fail to grasp is that these forums are owned by large corporations...with deep pockets....and a legal staff ready to go after them.

I've seen this action happen. One guy was a serious troll. He'd post smack, get banned, and come back on a new account. He also had several sock puppets, who would always "agree" with his posts...that in and of itself is rather frightening...anyway, mods got sick of it and involved the server admins who identified the guy, and they turned the legal team on him. Problem went away and the forum admins were very vocal about identifying the guy and posting the legal proceedings (no details, just case #).

On another forum, one of the mods posted an IB's identity and physical address. Another poster posted a Google Maps link with a picture of his house. The IB started making threats of deadly force against anyone who came to his house....police got involved....attorneys got involved...then all posts vanished (from public view) and the mods posted requesting everyone stop talking about it, and any new posts would be deleted. Don't know how this one ended up but the dude never came back.

Yeah...it's an interesting medium to be sure....
True. That's why I love this medium. It's a hell of a lot of fun.

Look, there are "IB's" that are true trolls out there. But the problem is that there are often posters who try to brand someone they simply disagree with, or don't like the style of, an IB or troll. I've been in those cross hairs many times. That's far more of a problem than an actual troll. So when I am put in those cross hairs, I'll defend myself. Period. If that appears thin-skinned, so be it.

Chef accused me of a few things (and I'm speaking for me, not bl or anyone else). If he shows me where I personally attacked, or even truly denigrated him or anyone else...I'll apologize. If he simply shows me where I disagreed with someone or stylistically offended someone...I won't.

The best sign of a troll is in the "edited" notation section under a post. If the editor was a mod removing attacking language, and you see a lot of that, you might have a troll. Otherwise, if you still think that person is a troll despite not being continually moderated, you probably just have a grudge.

For me, the bottom line is being up-front and honest. That's why I like talking about this stuff in a thread like this as opposed to PMs. It's out in the open - and that keeps things honest. Caleb's post about my style is a good example of getting additional feedback from the valued people one has actually gotten drunk with. That wouldn't have happened in a PM conversation (I mean the feedback...not the tequila.) Anyway...

Even with my less than honey-soaked posting style, I've been banned (and falsely maligned thereafter when I had no chance at defense) on only one of the many, many sailing forums I've ever posted on (including CF). That's a pretty good record I think.

Well, that and the fact that SN has some of the most even-handed moderators I've ever seen on any forum. And that's not even brown-nosing. That's true. I would know.

So, in conclusion, judging by the fact that I'm tall, fit, handsome, have a nice mane of hair, have a hot wife, kids that adore me, sail like a monster, don't wear an orange dress, and don't drive a mini-van...I think we can all agree that I'm no IB.

PS....you bastards.
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Re: Respect in Posting

Gentlemen,

Enough of this. Without pointing fingers or taking sides, the moderators try to keep SailNet as place where people can come and have civil discourse on all things Sailing or take other issues to the sewer, I mean off-topic. To some extent, offensive language is in the mind of the offended, by which I mean, we all have our threshold that defines whether we personally feel attacked or not. Within reason, there is legitimacy in that. As moderators, we try to take both the viewpoint of the offended and the offender into account, but when in doubt, we generally try to lean towards the offended since we don't want to chase anyone away.

If accused as an offender, we ask you to back off. You may not see yourself as being agressive or out of line but clearly the person complaining does. If you feel offended to be called an offender, just stop reading the other guys posts and let it go. This is not real life, it's only the internet. There is nothing truly gained by proving or letting go of anything here.

I am locking this thread since the points are all made and then some.

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