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If that track is legit (the way it was first reported on SA is a little sketchy), it looks like a collision with another vessel can be ruled out. However, the track is so straight that they would have to have been motoring with an autopilot engaged. It's basically a cliff face there, so maybe the keel was ripped off by the impact, or soon afterwards, and the hull bashed against the rocks until it was ground to splinters.

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Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Then there's this report..


Witness Says Cargo Ship Caused Yacht Crash


For the sake of the families I hope they figure this out soon..

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Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

A quote from that piece says, in an exculpatory way, that the large ship "may not have seen" the sailboat. MAY NOT HAVE SEEN???? In an area of admittedly high traffic, in a shipping lane, with a regatta going on, NO ONE IS WATCHING? The ship is not slowing down? Signaling? "Altering course to avoid collision" B....S! IF it turns out they were indeed run down, there is no excuse and someone needs to be dragged off in cuffs.

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A quote from that piece says, in an exculpatory way, that the large ship "may not have seen" the sailboat. MAY NOT HAVE SEEN???? In an area of admittedly high traffic, in a shipping lane, with a regatta going on, NO ONE IS WATCHING? The ship is not slowing down? Signaling? "Altering course to avoid collision" B....S! IF it turns out they were indeed run down, there is no excuse and someone needs to be dragged off in cuffs.
This is all from memory so some of the details may not be spot on however, I think it is pretty close.

Many years ago a trawler out of San Francisco "disappeared" while dragging off of Point Reyes in heavy fog. A suspected ship was hauled and inspected. Paint scrapings, net and rigging were found on the ships bottom. IIRC, a fine was issued to the ship's owner, end of story.

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This is all from memory so some of the details may not be spot on however, I think it is pretty close.

Many years ago a trawler out of San Francisco "disappeared" while dragging off of Point Reyes in heavy fog. A suspected ship was hauled and inspected. Paint scrapings, net and rigging were found on the ships bottom. IIRC, a fine was issued to the ship's owner, end of story.

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That sounds like the Jack Jr. back in the mid-eighties. As I recall, they were even in contact with the freighter via VHF right before the collision.

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That sounds like the Jack Jr. back in the mid-eighties. As I recall, they were even in contact with the freighter via VHF right before the collision.
Yes, you are right. Didn't remember the radio contact but that may very well be how they identified the ship? Do you know the final outcome other than the fine?

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Yes, you are right. Didn't remember the radio contact but that may very well be how they identified the ship? Do you know the final outcome other than the fine?

The State - Los Angeles Times

This article mentions the radio contact;

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As I recall, the folks on ship originally claimed that they thought they missed the Jack Jr. Then the CG (or someone) produced a tape of the radio transmissions, and some of the crew admitted to seeing debris. The shipping company made a multi-million dollar payout to the families, as I recall. But I don't remember anyone being held criminally liable.

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Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Here, courtesy of Panbo, courtesy of Susan Hoffman, is a pic of the Agean at the start of this ill-fated voyage.

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As I recall, the folks on ship originally claimed that they thought they missed the Jack Jr. Then the CG (or someone) produced a tape of the radio transmissions, and some of the crew admitted to seeing debris. The shipping company made a multi-million dollar payout to the families, as I recall. But I don't remember anyone being held criminally liable.
OK, sounds right, good memory!!

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Re: 3 Dead in Sailing Yacht Crash in Race from Newport California to Mexico.

Why are y'all getting down the throat of a ship that didn't hit the Agean, despite early saber-rattling before the SPOT tracker from the Hunter came to light?

I get it, we're all Davids, commercial ships are Goliaths, Goliath never stands a good watch, David always does.

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