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post #21 of 105 Old 05-02-2012
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Learn to use, and recognize, the back eddys especially here in the islands. From my observations most sailboats just go straight into the main force of the current and come to a standstill or worse without ever thinking about where the counter current is, or at least might be. It can make the difference between getting through the channel or waiting for the current to change. Become proficient at anchoring, that's your last line of defense from going onto the rocks should the wind fail you. Buy more fenders.
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ICW bridges are an issue for me down here in ICW-ville (SW FLA) but more and more, new high and wide fixed bridges are replacing the low narrow bascule ones...sailing motorless is something I want to practice more...afterall alot of us started this way on small sailboats...now that we have bigger boats it certainly is harder but still very do-able if you put in the time and slowly learn your engineless boat and helps if you already know the areas you sail pretty well...and have tide tables and lunch-hooks (and bigger) ready to throw down...and bring food and water as someone mentioned....getting stuck in middle of nowhere for a day is not for everybody....if you go motorless it might be a good idea to get BoatUS membership...at least for a year...I really should get one finally...My C-40 has a 25 hp Universal diesel I am trying to get running soon. I sold the windlass ...it didnt want to be on the boat anyways... but I doubt I could kedge off being "bitch-stuck" single-handed in a 18,200 lb boat with a hand windlass anyways...so just wait for the tides...time is perhaps our most precious asset ...and having the time/possible lost time... to pilot a sailboat without engines is a luxury really...today...in the past, well a necessity of course.....

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Engine less is pretty easy ('specially with a 2hp), it's using a disgusting composting head that's extremely difficult.

Best of luck op, just go with the wind and tides and try not to be beholden to timetables.

Oh, and get good ground tackle including an emergency brake (quickly deployable stern anchor).
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Learn to use, and recognize, the back eddys especially here in the islands. From my observations most sailboats just go straight into the main force of the current and come to a standstill or worse without ever thinking about where the counter current is, or at least might be. It can make the difference between getting through the channel or waiting for the current to change. Become proficient at anchoring, that's your last line of defense from going onto the rocks should the wind fail you. Buy more fenders.
This is very good advice for our waters. I was once in a race with VERY little wind in Puget Sound. We were trying to get around Point No Point and there was 2knots of current against. We snugged right up to shore (within 30ft of the beach) and the back eddy carried us against the a 1/2 mile or so until we were though the worst of it and could sail again. It was unnerving to be that close to shore but there was no wind driving us on shore and the current was acting to move us along one way or the other and was also not acting to push us onto the beach. So with no forces trying to put us on the beach, we coasted right along it, uphill, against the current.

I would also echo that in our waters, during the summer, there is often a North or NorthWest wind 5-15knots during the day. This summer pattern of wind is caused by the sun heating the land (I believe) and I find that, more often than not, it SHUTS OFF LIKE A SWITCH at sunset. I've been happily sailing along at 12kts and suddenly it's 0knots 5min after sunset. As long as you know the pattern you can use it and try and make sure you're somewhere you can anchor before sunset.

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I agree completely with the above post. Most of my rowing the first year I sailed engineless in the San Jaun's occurred because I sailed too late into the afternoon. I quickly learned a sense of timing for when the wind would die as the season and daylight changed. Now I often arrive back home just as the wind is dying.

The advice about hugging the shore to avoid current is good as well. Once the stupid pop rivets that held the gooseneck fitting to the boom failed on my old Bluenose Sloop and I had to sail home with just my jib against the current. I hugged the shoreline going south in San Juan channel with the wind on the nose until I could make the crossing to Lopez.

As a minimum the current is less or zero near the shore but often there is a back eddie. Can be very helpful.

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All good advice. But do be careful of those back eddies, there's one in our inlet that will put you fright on a shoal.
Our seabreeze is SW, starts on the south shore mid morning, increases through midafternoon, stops at sunset.
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I believe Bob Dylan sang about that:

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long set of oars.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody ...

(sometimes I feel like I'm serving the engine, so maybe he's on to something there?)

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I believe Bob Dylan sang about that:

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long set of oars.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody ...

(sometimes I feel like I'm serving the engine, so maybe he's on to something there?)

I will gladly "serve the engine" when a big ship is bearing down on me and the wind dies. Been there and done that.

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I will gladly "serve the engine" when a big ship is bearing down on me and the wind dies. Been there and done that.

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I plan to always have an engine...just want to only use when I really need it... and so it has to be ready to go...this focuses me on the fact that when I use it...it will be needed and possibly very much so...Meditating on that and keeping it in mind is something I can think about when I am blissfully sailing along quietly motorless...or better yet when I have some downtime at anchor...
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Check out yuloes (sp?) Long bend sculling oar mounted on the stern. As good as a small outboard. 50 ton junks get around with them .My engine less adventure ?? click my name and read 'first voyage'
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