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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Newport,

That cheek block is in a terrible position, and those winches are just adding weight and complexity to the boat that doesn't need to be there. You can neither adjust from the mast, or from the cockpit, but must work in some weird combination of them.

My advice would be to add a quad deck organizer, three lines for what you have, plus a spare if you need it in the future. Or a tripple just for what you have. Put it about on line with the where the middle line on your deck runs if you continue the line out, and run those lines back to the spinlocks. It will go a long way to making sail handling easier.

The concerns over your current set up:

1) the line run to the back is brought outboard at too strap an angle. The larger the bend around a sheave the higher the loads on it are, and the more friction it adds to the system.

2) winches and cleats for individual lines slow down line handling, and add a lot of stuff to the deck

3) that stuff can add to lines getting fouled, tripping, stubbed toes, hung up sails, ect. For very little gain.

Alternatively if you want the lines on the mast, then add spinlocks on the mast for them, and add a self tailing winch just below the spinlocks. I prefer lines in the cockpit for short handed sailing but I understand the argument against them.

A good example of what it should look like. This bend is a little tighter than ideal, but noT bad. http://www.sailorscovemarine.com/dec...nizer%2006.jpg

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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

I agree with Stumble, you should get rid of those dedicated halyard winches, and lead the halyards aft! If the winches are in good shape you may even be able to sell them to help pay for some decent clutches and a deck organizer.
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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Awesome...wow...learning LOTS here....thanks guys.
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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

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Awesome...wow...learning LOTS here....thanks guys.
Enjoying this thread as well. I am looking at the possibility of doing some of the same. I would like to see more pics of these set-ups.

My boat has mast winches for the halyards and the sheets on the coamings, but none on the cabin top. Newport, do you have winches further aft on the cabin as well as those oddly-placed winches in the picture? If not, you could reposition perhaps?

For me, main and jib halyards and vang would be the only lines I would like to have in the cockpit. This would give the ability to quickly and safely drop sail.
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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

More pics from my setup, this is partly made by me and partly by the PO.

Pics taken last autumn to document lead of all the lines - before taking the mast down for some upgrades.
Inherited this setup from the PO - replaced the mast base blocks this spring (no pics

Some of the blocks at the mast base are from the boat was new - others have been added later. The green rope to the left in the pic is the main sheet



Organizers stacked in two hights with eyes on the top (originaly only one hight - added by PO)
The rope in the middle/top is tack line for the asymetric.
The other two is just for testing the lead of the furling lines for the asymetric / code 0 (chose another lead for this)


Lead under the traveler track and traveller setup. Traveller new last year.
Note the lead to get the adjustment on the cabin top (Old setup had a cleat at track end)


Cabintop with winch and raised winch feeder.
This is my "design" replaced two winches (one was useless with dodger up) and an asortment of old clutches and jammers.

When doing changes like this it's important to test placement and lead thoroughly. I tested lots of different configurations before deciding on this.

Tip: Take pictures to document your different layouts - easier to go back and compare before you decide

The block under the winch feeder is there to get a good angle on the line going to the winch. extends on the outboard side to prevent line from falling down.
Decided not to use this solution for the furling line (bad lead)
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I have plenty of winches. Lol. I think 10 total. So 6 more in the cockpit. No need for those further back.
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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Here is the layout of Schock Therapy





Note that the starboard side line that appears to go to a cheek for a 90 degree deflection is in fact a halyard that is not in use, and goes to a fairlead for securing purposes only. You never want to deflect on such an angle if you can avoid it. I have been playing with layouts a bit since I added rigging for my asymetric spinnaker. I haven't given up on the symetric rigging just yet, but the wife hates it, so it will probably go. In the meantime the topping lift and downhaul are great for hanging the solar shower, the hammock chair etc!

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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

Knuterikt;

Is that DUCT TAPE on your vang?

You might want to rethink that...have you ever seen what happens to that stuff after the sun has attacked it?
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Re: Running Lines To The Cockpit....need some advice and ideas?

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Knuterikt;

Is that DUCT TAPE on your vang?

You might want to rethink that...have you ever seen what happens to that stuff after the sun has attacked it?
Yes - I inherited this from the PO, have not come around to cleaning that stuff off yet
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