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My ultimate destination is Mystic, CT. however, I would like to see the Statue of Liberty from my boat
Good on ya! Here is my favourite picture from our trip from Washinton DC to Fredericton NB., Canada




Two beautiful ladies!

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Re: NJ Coast

I did that trip solo last year. I stopped at AC and Manasquan inlet. I found Manasquan inlet very easy to handle. I can see how it could be tough if fighting a bad current, but I found it very straightforward. I was able to get from manasquan inlet to the Tappanzee bridge in one long day.

In AC, there's a great anchorage to the north of the channel. I forgot what its called, and it was kind of hairy to get into it, but it was perfect. Very protected. Same at Manasquan, the Glimmer Glass anchorage is a little trip from the channel, but a perfect place to drop anchor.
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Re: NJ Coast

The distance I came up with was right from my Sailcruiser software which does a nice job of estimating distance. It will even do polars. Sailboats, of course (pun intended), don't usually travel in a straight line. The distance over ground depends on wind direction. I used what looked like an average wind condition, requiring some tacking but not a whole lot. The wind usually blows either SW or NW along the coast in the summer depending on weather pattern with SW being predominant. I think pilot charts would bear this out. The actual figure was 156 miles with a normal amount of tacking/jibing. I did not figure at all for any current offsets but the time estimate came up as 24.7 hours.

There is a nice little anchorage right behind the Statue of Liberty. Follow the channel just S. of the statue and then hug the bulkhead close to shore back into the little cove. I make it w/ 5.6" draft. It's a good place to wait for the current going through the E.River.

Rik, that picture is just about where I was anchored during the Bicentennial celebration on my old 1936 42' Wheeler Playmate. The boat actually appeared in some of the news photos as the tall ships came through. Quite a sight.
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"If a sailboat can maintain an average speed of 5 knots then it can sail 120 nm in 24 hours. "
A nice theory, which ignores the fact that a sailboat must often tack. If you're going upwind and tacking, your "linear" distance multiplies by a little over 1.4 and your distance through the water, the distance you actually will be going, becomes 120*1.4 which is 168 miles. Making their estimate of 150 miles actually quite conservative.

Don't neglect the effect of shore currents on groundspeed, either.

Personally, I assume the wind will be dead on the bow for at least 1/3 of any trip, and use the "motorboat miles" as just a starting point for how long it will take to SAIL the same course.
Yes. The distance a really smart crow might fly is about 120 nm, not what a sail boat that is actually sailing might cover.
We veered about 20+ miles off the coast past Atlantic City and then tacked towards NYC. What was nice about that was the pod of 15 - 20 Atlantic Dolphins we saw off of AC. Be sure to stop there as I'm sure they will be waiting for you!
All points about tacking, wind and current are all true. I'd suggest that even using the Shark River (just below Sandy Hook) as an overnight anchorage could prove beneficial if you could time your departure from there with fair tides for getting into NY Harbor and the East River. It seemed to take us forever to get to Sandy Hook - of course that was after spending 24 hours on the boat and facing an ebbing tide in NY.
Low tide at the Verrazano Narrow's and The Battery should help you calculate when to arrive with a fair (flood) tide.
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Re: NJ Coast

Again, Thanks. Even more valuable information.

I close with the bank on Tuesday and will drive from CT to Annapolis to close on the boat Wed. morning. I'll have a day or so to start getting things ship shape for the trip. Go back to work for a couple of weeks then drive back down and leave Annapolis for Cape May on June 12th.

That will start a 17 day vacation on my new boat... I'll be sure to post some pictures and a little report as things move along.

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Good luck Rob. I assume this is the C&C 30-2 you have been looking for.
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Rob - if this is of any help - enjoy. This was our trip up that way:

Mystery - the Trip Home

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Re: NJ Coast

Rob, in 17 days you can stop and smell alot of roses from Annapolis to Mystic.

Have a great trip and congrats on your new boat. A copy of Eldridge will be your best friend on this trip.

With regard to the Jersey coast and 8 hour legs. You can decide when you're out there, how well you feel, and base your stops on the wind and weather. If you want to break it up into day hops. Cape May to AC, AC to Barnegat, Barnegat to Manasquan and Manasquan to NY would be the logical stops.

If you have good wind and weather, you might just want to keep going, it can be a pleasant trip. Running in an out of the inlets can be much more stressfull than simply sailing for 18 or 24 hours.

Of these, Barnegat is the trickiest imho, once inside the inlet, you want to know exactly where you're going, there are shifting shoals.
Manasquan is more straightforward, but as has been mentioned, it's best to time your arrival at slack current if possible. Currents run strong especially near the bridges.

You could always enter Barnegat and take the inside route north and exit manasquan. This clearly adds time and distance to the trip. The trickiest part would be transiting Point pleasnt canal. There are many ways to do the Jersey Coast.

Keep us posted when June comes on your progress.
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Re: NJ Coast

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Rob, in 17 days you can stop and smell alot of roses from Annapolis to Mystic.

Have a great trip and congrats on your new boat. A copy of Eldridge will be your best friend on this trip.

With regard to the Jersey coast and 8 hour legs. You can decide when you're out there, how well you feel, and base your stops on the wind and weather. If you want to break it up into day hops. Cape May to AC, AC to Barnegat, Barnegat to Manasquan and Manasquan to NY would be the logical stops.

If you have good wind and weather, you might just want to keep going, it can be a pleasant trip. Running in an out of the inlets can be much more stressfull than simply sailing for 18 or 24 hours.

Of these, Barnegat is the trickiest imho, once inside the inlet, you want to know exactly where you're going, there are shifting shoals.
Manasquan is more straightforward, but as has been mentioned, it's best to time your arrival at slack current if possible. Currents run strong especially near the bridges.

You could always enter Barnegat and take the inside route north and exit manasquan. This clearly adds time and distance to the trip. The trickiest part would be transiting Point pleasnt canal. There are many ways to do the Jersey Coast.

Keep us posted when June comes on your progress.
Thanks, the plan I guess is to do one longer day and skip Barnegat. I'm hoping to be back home by about the 17th and continue on to Block Island then over to Narragansett Bay before going back to work.

17 days on my new boat...what could go wrong?
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Re: NJ Coast

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Rob - if this is of any help - enjoy. This was our trip up that way:

Mystery - the Trip Home

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Sorry you had a bad experience in Stonington. I guess you ran into the wrong people. It's normally a nice spot.

Bellavue Yachting Center in Point Judith is a great spot. I had to tie up to make repairs their last summer (taking on water, under USGC escort) and they charged me $1.00 a foot for a slip! (Well below their transient price.) Nice people who took pity on a poor sailor
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