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Re: State Sen. Kehoe drops anti fouling paint bill

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Please provide the scientific evidence showing copper based anti-fouling paint is the main cause in the rise of copper levels. With that addition information we can all agree the paint is the issue. Without it we are all just to believe what someone has said with no evidence which is not practical. If we always believed everything people said and did not seek to find the truths in everything, we may still possibly believe the world is flat.
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Please provide the scientific evidence showing copper based anti-fouling paint is the main cause in the rise of copper levels.
I never said anti fouling paint was the main cause for the rise of copper levels. Do your own homework.
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Re: State Sen. Kehoe drops anti fouling paint bill

The following passage is from the article you posted.

"State Sen. Christine Kehoe has shelved her hard-fought legislation aimed at forcing boat owners to stop using copper-based paints believed to be a troubling source of pollution in the San Diego Bay and congested marinas all along California’s coast."

Please correct me if I am wrong but does this not say that copper-based paints are a troubling(main) source of pollution? The Senator should not have tried to pass a bill without all evidence to support her claims.
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Please correct me if I am wrong but does this not say that copper-based paints are a troubling(main) source of pollution? The Senator should not have tried to pass a bill without all evidence to support her claims.
I didn't say it, the article did. And there is plenty of scientific evidence to support the bill's passing. But politics and money shot it down.

Look, anti fouling paint is clearly a major source of copper in the water column (whether you believe it or not) and studies have shown this pollution occurs (both acutely and chronically) in areas where pleasure boats are berthed. So as long as my industry is threatened with extinction because California lacks the political or societal will to do something about it, I will advocate for legislation that reduces or eliminates the copper contribution from anti fouling paint.

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They are concerned about that, however they DEP is not concerned about the salvage attempt I did yesterday that the insurance only allowed for ONE hour of searching at night which is now spilling diesel over a national parks shoreline.
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Re: State Sen. Kehoe drops anti fouling paint bill

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Please provide the scientific evidence showing copper based anti-fouling paint is the main cause in the rise of copper levels. With that addition information we can all agree the paint is the issue. Without it we are all just to believe what someone has said with no evidence which is not practical. If we always believed everything people said and did not seek to find the truths in everything, we may still possibly believe the world is flat.
Well, now...

I'm on the boater's side on this, but let's be realistic. You're talking about ablative copper based paint. Paint based on copper that is designed to come off...
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Well, now...

I'm on the boater's side on this, but let's be realistic. You're talking about ablative copper based paint. Paint based on copper that is designed to come off...
I don't think you understand how anti fouling paint works. All traditional copper-based anti fouling paints leach copper 24/7/365 for the life of the coating, hard paints and ablatives alike.
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I don't think you understand how anti fouling paint works. All traditional copper-based anti fouling paints leach copper 24/7/365 for the life of the coating, hard paints and ablatives alike.
I do understand, however I should have mentioned hard paints as well.

My point being, the product is designed to leach copper, so doubting that it contributes to an increased amount of copper in boat saturated environments is just plain silly.
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My point being, the product is designed to leach copper, so doubting that it contributes to an increased amount of copper in boat saturated environments is just plain silly.
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So as long as my industry is threatened with extinction because California lacks the political or societal will to do something about it, I will advocate for legislation that reduces or eliminates the copper contribution from anti fouling paint.
In lieu of advocating to have a inferior product legislatively shoved down our throats to protect your livelihood, why don't go advocate to produce a product that is at least equal too copper base at a cost equal too or less than copper based.

Do this and boaters will overwhelmingly support non copper paints
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