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Shamanic Bilgewater 06-10-2012 02:33 AM

Evaluating Keel and hull for Sailing Performance
An experienced fellow sailor friend commented that the keel shape on the custom 60 ft Aluminum Ketch I am considering buying would mean it would not sail well, and the motor would be necessary a lot of the time. This Ketch is reputed by the seller to have been sailed extensively by a couple around the world, for whom it was originally commissioned.
I have looked at a lot of boats, and she seems like a remarkable boat to me, but I am looking for other opinions, specifically how well she might sail based on her hull lines and keel shape. Her sail area is 1400 sq. ft. This is the boat: For Sale: 60' Laurent Giles Design Ketch: $189,000 USD
I am struggling with the idea that she wouldn't sail well, because I like her a lot. It may become clear how she sails if we have sufficient wind at a sea trial, but I would rather not put myself and the owner (who inherited her and doesn't sail her) through the whole purchase and survey process and then in the sea trial have inconclusive results because of time and weather limitations.
If anyone would look at the webpage I've included and comment, I would appreciate it.

knuterikt 06-10-2012 06:52 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?

Originally Posted by celenoglu (Post 882886)
We cannot see the boat. I think you are not allowed to post links.

This one For Sale: 60' Laurent Giles Design Ketch: $189,000 USD ?

It will sail - what kind of boats do you want to compare with?

celenoglu 06-10-2012 07:59 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
There is nothing wrong with the hull or the keel. She will sail good enough. You should consider sloops are faster than ketches, but I think you already know it. The performance of sailing should be tested. It is not very easy to comment on the sail ability of a boat without sailing her.

puddinlegs 06-10-2012 08:56 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
60' boat, 2 engines, 90,000 lbs, aluminum, 189k? Hmmmm. I'm wondering what the major issues are. And the teak deck... Never mind if it sails or not, it's going to be a very expensive boat to run.

Mobnets 06-10-2012 09:00 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
V-Berth photo shows what looks like standing water damage above cabin sole. What's that all about?
1972 Paceship Chance 32/28 "Westwind"

JimsCAL 06-10-2012 09:06 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
Original sails from 1976! What else has been neglected? Looks like a money pit to me.

puddinlegs 06-10-2012 09:06 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
Shaman, it looks like the boat is in Seattle from the Picts. Have you seen it? PM me if you need someone to go have a look if you're not local. Honestly, the deck looks pretty rough. To re-teak if you wanted to, you're looking at around 100k. Best just to lose the wood. Honestly, the boat is going to cost more to run than the SC 70 moored behind it.

cruisingdream 06-10-2012 09:23 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
The lay out suggests its a motor boat , twin engines , inside steering only , over 700gal fuel , the sails might be ok because the winches don't look like they have ever been used , v-berth stains are probably from the anchor locker , on the plus side it is a beautiful looking boat .

zeehag 06-10-2012 10:24 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
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best way to find out is to sail her. giles designed some good boats.

yossarian 06-10-2012 10:26 AM

Re: Looks good, how well will she sail?
I absolutely don't have the experience to say how a boat will sail based on hull/keel shape. But I have a different question: What's up with the sail plan? Is it common to have a "ketch" rigged boat without a mainsail? Does anyone have other examples of a two masted boat where the main mast serves only to support foresails?

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