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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

Unfortunately Swan doesn't provide a list of OEM parts, however by looking at the owners forum, and sales brochures you can pull them out. In this case I specifically looked at the

Swan 37, 42, 44, 45, 48, 68,

Swan currently uses Lewman regular or low profile hatches on the following of their line 42, 53, and I can't tell about the 60. However above this Swan uses custom made (at the factory) hatches for all their hatchways since they are all recessed in the hull.

Catalina I apologize I wrote Catalina but was thinking Beneteau. I haven't been able to track down a parts list for Catalina (that isn't behind a registration wall). But I think they use Bomar hatches.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

One of the things I was shown years ago to make sure sheets don't get caught in hatches is to make some bungee cord rings. They fit under the lip of the hatch, and take up the room that the line otherwise could use.

I have also seen people use wood strips, small line, ect.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

Jack, that is quite true. The Hawaii racers need to pass ISAF Cat 1. Because I have raced my Catalina 34 in offshore races in Northern California, it has been modified to satisfy Cat 2. Unless you want to pay your broker a whole lot more up front, no new boat sold as Cat 0, 1, or 2 race ready. Catalina’s 30+ footers as I’m sure boats from other builders are pretty much compliant to Cat 3 right out of the box. They are also ocean rated as are others in the European rating system. Before you add all the safety gear, your boat’s scantlings must meet the standard and I am not sure that all do.

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A person could buy and drive a smart car from new york to la. doesnt mean the car was made for it or that it's going to be a comfortable ride. Doesnt mean that the smart car is a pos it's just not designed for it.

And as far as the capable crew comments? We thats just fairly obvious. I'd put money on most formula one car drivers putting them in an average sedan and pitting them against a drivers ed student driving a race car.

Most of the comments are apples and oranges if two equally qualifyed captins are saili g side by side there are boats that are obviously more qualifyed to be in bluewater than others.. I just dont understand why it offends people to hear it. If your extreemly well qualifyed to sail and your going around the world in a catalina 22 cudo's to you its a testament to your ability's and luck but because you succeed it doesnt mean the average sailor would.

Anyway just my two cents.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

I have been on a couple of boats that are close to ISAF standards.

The Saga 409 that I have taught on has the cabin sole boards secured and ether mounting points in the cockpit. A Nauticat 37 has some boards secured or under carpet, and tether mounting points. Both had lee clothes. Both had dedicated jackline mounts, stowable mid stays with staysails. I have taken both around Vancouver Island with few worries. I think the lifelines on both are vinyl coated.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

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Boats are trade-offs. I have said there is no such thing as a bluewater boat. I stand by that. I do believe there are boats better suited for long distance cruising, but it all comes with tradeoffs. Depending on he boat/manufacturer, you can modify these things to your prefernce and destination. The issue is that on some boats, to modify it for long distance crusiing, the cost to doso will exceed what it takes to just go out and get a boat for long distance cruising. That does not make the long distance cruising boat "better"... only better for that use.
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These are my opinions. I know Catalinas pretty well and am very happy with teh right boat for long distance cruising. I cannot comment on the Hunters as I have not owned one... but they are a completely different manufacturer and I do not think it is fair to group them together.

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One of the reasons I continue to cite Rousmaniere's book, is that these discussions always devolve when people continue to focus on BRANDS, as opposed to CHARACTERISTICS of the design, or construction...

I just arrived in Isla Mujeres last night, after a 55 hour slog up from Livingston, Guatemala... 20-25 knots out of the ENE for the duration, every inch of the way a continuous struggle to claw off the reefs of Belize, and the Yucatan coast... We got beat up pretty good, that first cold Pacifico last night tasted mighty fine, indeed...

The boat is a Valiant 42, and she took care of us very well... We're in a bit of a race to get out of here before the tropics possibly begin heating up next week , but I'm certainly glad I've got a bluewater boat beneath me... No freakin' way would a Hunter or Hanse of equivalent size would have been as comfortable, or have inspired as much confidence along the 300+ miles of such an unforgiving lee shore in those conditions, and anyone who truly believes otherwise is dreaming, IMHO... (grin)

That has nothing to do with the brand, of course... It's primarily a reflection the design and displacement, particularly the underbody, deep forefoot and generous amount of hull volume beneath the waterline... A flat-bottomed flyer like a Hanse would have been absolutely exhausting to sail in those conditions, and I'm simply too old for that crap, now...

Just my opinion, of course... But I'll bet people like Olin Stephens, Bob Perry, and Chuck Paine might be at least somewhat inclined to agree...

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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

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You should mention that to the fellow in another thread who sailed his Cat 27 from Massachusetts to the Azores. Alone. Without any real sailing experience by his own admission.

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PS - This one......

I have a friend who owns a 1970's sailboat. It's a Cape Cod Shipbuilding Mercer 44'. The inboard diesel gave out last fall so he has had it dry in his yard awaiting a new engine. So anyways, on Memorial Day some drunk thought his yard was a road and hit the supports holding the boat up. It fell over and the mast got bent, a hole in the hull the size of a dinner plate as well as the sails getting trashed. Nothing else got damaged but his insurance company offered him $200,000. They let him keep it for $15,000. That's where I come in.

Does this seem like a headache? I have a 70's Catalina 27' and it's a dream. I am thinking of taking the summer off from work and getting sailing lessons, getting her fixed, and sailing her to Europe. I sailed the Cat to the Azores last summer single handed. Not sure if that's possible on this. My friend always had it perfectly maintained by the company that built it so it is just a matter of fixing it.

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He was lucky - a Cat 27, by his own admission he knew nothing and it was the height of hurricane season. There's a special providence that looks after drunks and fools.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

Didn't someone cross the Atlantic in a bathtub? I know Spiess crossed the Atlantic and Pacific in a 10' boat or smaller.

Means nothing.

Hunters or Catalinas - also means little. One or two such trips is a meaningless database. Now a 100 or so and you have some stats to go by.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

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What a story! During my professional delivery days I learned neither Catalinas or Hunters are blue water boats. That was well before the internet. Today you can get on line and come to the same conclusion. Why these people in the Catalina attempted to go to Hawaii without doing some research is a topic onto itself.

They ought to have a sign in the cockpit of Hunters and Catalinas that say "no more than 25 miles offshore."

Let the flaming begin.
Never say never. There is a Catalina 36 in Seward that has been as far west as New Zealand.
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Re: Is she bluewater? Interesting story to help with these questions.

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