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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

to some it up, the economy is a good excuse, but in reality it is the mindset of our culture....the "free spirits", the sort of people who would be willing to sail of into the tropical sunset can't afford to...to be able to afford to not only takes time, but channels people into the static mindset.
Marketing has a hand in it too, making us think we "need" a boat with all the gadgets, gizmos and gilhickies. A friend of mine cruised the Pacific single handed in a boat with a single burner camp stove, jerry jug water, bucket head, dysfunctional engine, hand held GPS, no winches, scary old galvanized rigging, sails w/ duct tape patches, lashed tiller self steer, etc....his annual cruising budget was about $2500. The Pardey's said "Go simple, go now"....I have seen alot of people waiting until they had the "perfect boat"....wait too long and never make it away.
Part of my plan in my cruise to the tropics, is to pick up a crew member (early to mid 20ish) I'll take care of everything....he wouldn't have to worry about anything.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

I blame Hippity hop music. Find a person in ther early 20's who does'nt listen to exclusively Hip Hop music. It's all they know. 20 years ago when I was in my early 20's and living aboard/ cruising the Caribbean, we listend to a more organic, music orientated music, Kid's these day's want bling and ho's, not the slow, hard won satisfaction of dancing with nature. Even most of the young sailors of today are on racing circuts or kite boards. Playing at the beach I call it. There are a few young people with a call to the wild and a wander lust, as long as they can get service.

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Hip-hop and its atonal and unmelodic precursors are symptoms, not causes. The sounds of a generation and an era reflect what's going on in the minds and hearts of those making, and listening to, the sounds. The sounds of this time reveal that what is in those minds and hearts is not by-and-large good.

I blame the cities of man. All sorts of ills arise from urbanization. Right after the Flood, when mankind began to repopulate the Earth, they also began to clump up in what was then the vast well-watered and fertile valley surrounding the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. And build cities around those ziggurats.

Everyone familiar with Moseh knows the rest of the history, so clearly God doesn't approve of cities, and it seems clear He has good reasons.
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20 years ago when I was in my early 20's and living aboard/ cruising the Caribbean, we listend to a more organic, music orientated music,
Hang on.
20 years ago, in 1992-1993, Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots ruled the airwaves with angry guitar driven grunge rock -
organic it wasn't. Cruising music it wasn't.
Meanwhile, hip hop stars Arrested Development had just rolled out their breakthrough album with the organic, melodic largely acoustic hits Tennessee, People Everyday, and Mr. Wendal.

So, maybe all hiphop ain't all the same. and neither is all the music from our youth.

Music is never as we remember it, and it is a reflection of a culture, not the cause of it.

All that being said, some stuff stands the test of time and crosses generations, and I think you might be onto something Capt. A, regarding musical choices and influences. For example, show me a kid listening to Bob Marley and I'll show you a potential cruiser.

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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Perhaps some of these attitudes are a bit of a deterrent when young 'uns show up at the marina? Bad enough having people me that their children are older than me but now you're going to assume I listen to hip hop? That's just over the line

It'd be nice for once to have someone assume my boat is mine, not my parents'. Sometimes people assume that what they expect is what they're seeing and it only reinforces their original ideas.

In any generation the majority aren't cruisers, so any assertions about the majority of a generation just aren't relevant. I could say lots of things about most of the boomers that are probably untrue of most of those owning a sailboat. Any comment about "kids these days" has just as much to do with young people who do (or in other circumstances would) own a sailboat.

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When I was cruising as a young man, single handling around the Western Caribbean, no engine, no gadgets, I had a shaved head with a tattoo on it, I wore only a sarong, blaired live jam rock from the dead, grunge from seatle, reggae, hip hop, acid jazz, funk, classical, old timey folk etc. I was the quntessential, "un welcome in our marina" anti yachty, bare bones, boat kid and I loved it! Now, as I prepare the same little sloop, no engine, no gadgets, for an april departure to my house in Guanaja Honduras, I have the same taste in music only even more eclectic with a bit more trip hop in there, same tattoo on my head and same hair cut, I wear cargo shorts now, yet I still blame the bling, ho'ty ho ho culture of crotch rockets and stupid smart phones for this genertions general lack of interest in the organics of true live aboard cruising appeal . Of course there is a small group of 20 somethings out there in to it, but in general with out too much generalization, 20 somethings have different interests than my Gen did, generally speaking. All though kicking around Key West I see quite a few kids out there giving it the old college effort.

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The town I live in is very static, either people have reached a level of success in thier life and don't want to go anywhere or they think if they hang around long enough they might succeed.
Of the people I have interviewed as prospective crew, the ones that had the right mindset were usually, surfers, skiers, climbers, etc...people whose life did not revolve around thier job and the trapping of modern day life...people who were more concerned with living life. Rather than achieving some sort of predetermined goal....what we are "supposed" to do with our life.
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I can't believe what I'm reading here and a lot of old geasers should be ashamed of what they are saying. Hey and I'm an old geaser myself at 61 but where are you old farts sailing? The local pond or placid bay on weekends. I think there are more young out sailing than ever before. Just go over to SA forum and look on all the different sites not just the CA forum. Thousands of young people, most of them as sharp as can be and confident, racing in all types of boats and that is what young sailors should be doing. Having a great time going fast and learning how to sail a lot better than a lot of folks that are old farts can sail including myself and I aint bad.

And all of you folks with all these ideas that its electronics and laziness that they are all going to fall off the pier, what's up with you where is your head at. Your wrong, sorry to say it but you need to get out sailing and see all the young people around the world out having a real life and a great one, some with money and some with little. So what if 99.9 % of the young are clueless to sailing it has always been that way and always will be just like with old fart sailors who will never go anywhere except the pond they live on or down the bay they sail on. That is the way sailing has always been and will always be.

You should leave the young sailors alone because honestly you have no idea what you are talking about. Everywhere I look there are young families, young women, young men really sailing all over the world and having a lot better time than you are complaining about how the young don't sail because of this or that. This generation of 20 something is the best generation of 20 something I have ever met.

Sorry a just a little for the rant but get a life and meet some of these sailing young people and enjoy. I swear some of you must be dead or wish you were dead.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

How about we give a young person a chance and a ride? Do you listen to the same music someone 30 years older does ? Do you cook food the same way? You nuke your food in 30 seconds? You have to find common ground or better yet leave the ground behind and go for a sail. Then maybe you can share some food and some tunes. It is all about having a good time. Young or old. I thought ski boats were it. I was shown some real poor hospitality by some old salts and for years would not even come near a sailboat My bad to think all old sailors are crabs. They decided all young folks needed to be treated in a manner they thought best. Smile,Lou
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