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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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Yeah.

Our boat is 35ft and 24 years old.

When we went cruising we spent money on new standing rigging, good sails, basic but what I considered important safeties, and then what was left went on the gadgets. As a result we had no AIS, no radar, and our chartplotter was a temperamental laptop( we got it for free).

Our dinghy is a Zodiac 2.3m inflatable that ummm has been patched ummmm more than once.
I have been buying the gadgets one at a time, before I even buy the next boat, but I know more or less what I am going to spend on the boat and I have a very reasonable budget for that coming together. I will pay cash, because going into debt is not part of my long term goals, and also I really would like to spend my monthly income on things like fuel and food, and such and not on the boat itself. I will have radar, though it may be cheap and used and not be the latest doohickey, but I think I can swing a pretty decent integrated setup, and with the laptop and stuff I should be okay. I have a fairly good plan of where I am going and how to get there and I am aggressively pursuing that plan to the exclusion of some other temporary onshore comforts. A little sacrifice now will pay for the watermaker I am going to order and install on the boat, and that will mean showers every day in the future on the boat LOL. (not that I am not showering every day now).
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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I have been buying the gadgets one at a time, before I even buy the next boat, but I know more or less what I am going to spend on the boat and I have a very reasonable budget for that coming together. I will pay cash, because going into debt is not part of my long term goals, and also I really would like to spend my monthly income on things like fuel and food, and such and not on the boat itself. I will have radar, though it may be cheap and used and not be the latest doohickey, but I think I can swing a pretty decent integrated setup, and with the laptop and stuff I should be okay. I have a fairly good plan of where I am going and how to get there and I am aggressively pursuing that plan to the exclusion of some other temporary onshore comforts. A little sacrifice now will pay for the watermaker I am going to order and install on the boat, and that will mean showers every day in the future on the boat LOL. (not that I am not showering every day now).
LOL. Yep. Yep and Yep.

Man. you just sound better prepared than me!

Dont get me wrong, I want radar, I( and my wife x 100) really want a watermaker, and we are now refitting the boat to meet the demands of future adventures, but when we were faced with the decision to go without or not go......well we went
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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Is it wrong for a person to desire to take advantage of technology? No, it is just smart to equip your boat with the best technology that you are comfortable with, if you are not comfortable at all with technology then go with the minimum. If you are technically savvy and know how to use the technology then go with the best you can afford, but also make sure you have the ability to sail without it because from a generator to a roller furling sail system at some time all of it will be out of commission or need some work to get it up and working properly.

I personally would not want to sail without a watermaker, a chart plotter, radar, VHF radio, and a working toilet... If you like sailing thirsty, blind, deaf, and crapping in a five gallon bucket all I ask is that you do not tie up next to me and dump it over the side in a beautiful anchorage
You don't need a watermaker to be able to enjoy a shower.

You also don't need a watermaker to avoid sailing thirsty. The vast majority of long term cruisers do not have water makers.
You don't need a chartplotter to avoid sailing blind. You need charts and the ability to read them. Radar? I bet that the majority of cruisers function just fine without it.

In fact, a whole lot of people are cruising happily and contentedly and successfully without that which you view as a necessity...
and the best part is, when those "necessities" crap out, they are still able to cruise.

Technology is a great way to enjoy cruising, but not having it is no excuse NOT to cut the lines. In fact, it's better to build the skills and add the technology after. And, by not making technology a priority, you can cut the lines that much sooner.

After another membrane has crapped out on your four-figure watermaker, i'll be happy to loan you a bottle of water.

Go now. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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LOL. Yep. Yep and Yep.

Man. you just sound better prepared than me!

Dont get me wrong, I want radar, I( and my wife x 100) really want a watermaker, and we are now refitting the boat to meet the demands of future adventures, but when we were faced with the decision to go without or not go......well we went
I did that once, it worked out okay, but my case may be different from yours, and my situation is most likely different as well. I am single, and may or may not stay that way. I am blessed with the opportunity to earn really good money doing something I am good at and enjoy, and I am taking advantage of the situation while I can do so. Once I get on board that is where I will live for at least the next five years, and when I leave I will not return to the US for at least two to three years, and may be permanently gone, but that is not a problem because I have skills that allow me to work almost anywhere in the world.

I am planning to sail down the coast of South America, will most likely spend some time in southern Chile, where I have friends and temporary employment whenever I am there, and then go on to visit the islands of Fiji and Tahiti and so forth. I speak, read, and write Spanish, and have enough French and Portuguese to get by with a little patience from others. I am a diesel mechanic, heavy equipment operator, and transportation logistics specialist with experience in the oil and gas industry, so I am truly blessed to know people from around the world who can help me find work in a whole lot of countries. I spent a lot of time dreaming, thinking, planning and then actually doing a lot of work to help me reach my goals, and even so I am still going to be jumping out there on a sail and a prayer, but I love it.

If I had a wife and kids who were young I would never be able to do this, but I do not, so I am just going to do it and see where I land. If you are doing something like this with your wife that is awesome, and hopefully one day soon we can talk about the places we are and where we will go next. I started a circumnavigation once with friends on their boat, and some family issues with the friends cut it short after only nine months. I am going on the trip on my on boat, though I am not particularly aiming at a circumnavigation.

As to the watermaker, I have spent a ton of time looking into various systems from various sources, and I think I have the one I will get pinned down. I weighed the cost of buying one against the cost of water bought from marinas, bottled water to drink and I am thinking that the benefits of having one will make the purchase worthwhile. I know that I will spend a good chunk of money on it, but really it is not that bad when you cost out what water would run you to buy each month and throw in the cost of marina slips that would be needed when you want to do laundry or shower in port. My thinking is that it will actually save me money over the five to ten years I plan to be on the boat.

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You don't need a watermaker to be able to enjoy a shower.

You also don't need a watermaker to avoid sailing thirsty. The vast majority of long term cruisers do not have water makers.
You don't need a chartplotter to avoid sailing blind. You need charts and the ability to read them. Radar? I bet that the majority of cruisers function just fine without it.

In fact, a whole lot of people are cruising happily and contentedly and successfully without that which you view as a necessity...
and the best part is, when those "necessities" crap out, they are still able to cruise.

Technology is a great way to enjoy cruising, but not having it is no excuse NOT to cut the lines. In fact, it's better to build the skills and add the technology after. And, by not making technology a priority, you can cut the lines that much sooner.

After another membrane has crapped out on your four-figure watermaker, i'll be happy to loan you a bottle of water.

Go now. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed.
Yep, none of those things are necessary, and I do certainly have the skills to go without them and have gone without them. I also have the ability to go with them so I will.

Oh and so you know, I have made a couple of long passages without a watermaker, and showering with a little pump up sprayer with a veggie washer on the end of it is not nearly as nice at getting the crust off your sweaty arse as a ten minute shower with hot water. I know guys who carry more bottles of water than they have room for, and all of that plastic has to go somewhere for the next thousand years.

You will never have to loan me a bottle of water, and I have the skill to maintain the watermaker. I have an RO system in my home here on the dry land and I do not seem to remember ever having to repair it, since I do the maintenance on it as I should. The water the here in this part of Texas is horrible, looks like milk coming out of the tap if you do not have an RO system, yet I have never had it go down. I think the issue you have with the tech is sort of related to envy, and that is sad. I never have said that I would not go without the stuff, in fact I said I had and would prefer not to do so again.

Charts take up room, get outdated after storms, get wet, or torn and are cumbersome, a chartplotter does not navigate for you, it is simply an electronic chart system tied into your GPS. If you are navigating with a sextant, compass and clock or starsights then more power to you, I can, but geez louise, why would I when I have the ability to purchase a good system for only about $2,000.00 that will tie in the radar, the GPS, the Depth Sounder, fishfinder and my engine data as well as some other signals? I know it is not cheap, but I do not have to rely on ten different instruments in order to navigate. I can tie it into either an autohelm or windvane, and it will help me to safely pilot the boat in the dark in areas where I am not familiar with the traffic patterns or the underwater structures with greater accuracy than a paper chart. If I am less of a man because I use technology then so what, I am not here to get into a pissing contest with anyone, I am here to enjoy myself.

If you have $2000.00 in paper charts and guides and I spend the same on my network controller/GPS Chartplotter, we both spent $2000.00 and we should both be able to get there. I do not appreciate the snotty attitude that anyone with more than flashlights on the mast and a bucket lid with a toilet seat duct taped to it attached to the rail is somehow less capable than you are when you sail in a stripped down boat with no engine or batteries or running water.
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You don't need a watermaker to be able to enjoy a shower.

You also don't need a watermaker to avoid sailing thirsty. The vast majority of long term cruisers do not have water makers.
You don't need a chartplotter to avoid sailing blind. You need charts and the ability to read them. Radar? I bet that the majority of cruisers function just fine without it.

In fact, a whole lot of people are cruising happily and contentedly and successfully without that which you view as a necessity...
and the best part is, when those "necessities" crap out, they are still able to cruise.

Technology is a great way to enjoy cruising, but not having it is no excuse NOT to cut the lines. In fact, it's better to build the skills and add the technology after. And, by not making technology a priority, you can cut the lines that much sooner.

After another membrane has crapped out on your four-figure watermaker, i'll be happy to loan you a bottle of water.

Go now. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed.
Agreed! I would upgrade the priority for radar if you want to comfortably and safely cruise "Downeast". Charts will do everything you need but keeping an eye out in the fog is a great help. The bozos who motor along in the fog at speed relying on their chart plotters to guide them are becoming a growing hazard. They are not on the charts! I still use my hand held Garmin for quick checks and as a back up for "bread crumbs" if the fog is visible on the horizon. It can roll in faster than you can get away from it and having "eyes" when you can't see the anchor roller from the hem is a comfort. There are lots of other reasons why radar is a great tool!

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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

I'm amazed at all of the Old Salts on this thread who have learned to turn on their computer, and even manage to use the internet, just to complain about the young. We're living in the future, and the future is good. HAHA.

Video games have no impact on the sailing population. Don't forget that all of you sailors who cast off decades ago were a COUNTER CULTURE. You were not everybody. Your peers were going to college and buying into consumerism. Your generation was hooked by Madison avenue, line and sinker.

A very small group took to the sea in your day, relatively speaking. We are not so different.
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I'm amazed at all of the Old Salts on this thread who have learned to turn on their computer, and even manage to use the internet, just to complain about the young. We're living in the future, and the future is good. HAHA.

Video games have no impact on the sailing population. Don't forget that all of you sailors who cast off decades ago were a COUNTER CULTURE. You were not everybody. Your peers were going to college and buying into consumerism. Your generation was hooked by Madison avenue, line and sinker.

A very small group took to the sea in your day, relatively speaking. We are not so different.
What? You are welcome! I think? Perhaps not you. My last advanced degree was in computer science at age 50, almost 20 years ago! I am thinking when you were still in short pants! 5 years ago I retired as a network administrator who had built a 6 channel Cisco wireless network supporting over 1000 wireless clients, servers and security for Novell, Windows, Apple and Linux!

I own and manage several .coms to support the realestate company I started in 1995. If the future is good you can thank us. I purchased my first sailboat when I was 8. My first calculator was a 5 function Heathkit that cost $120.00 a long time ago. I still have it as a reminder of OUR progress! What could you possibly know about who and how many of us "took to the sea"?

Learn some manners young spud! Learn to sail by the stars while you are at it. If you know how to turn the pages of a book here is a volume you could start with. Celestial Navigation for Yachtsmen by Mary Blewitt. It beats the hell out of a computer game and I have designed a few of those.

I am beholding to computer games for the pressure they have taken off the trout!

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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

First, I'm still in short pants. I live in Florida.

Second, your post makes a great point. There have been computer nerds for generations. Your love of programming and fancy calculators didn't keep you from experiencing life, and today's video games are the same diversion for kids. I spent the better part of my twenties boating AND playing countless hours of video games, all while establishing myself in the corporate world so I could afford to spend most days in short pants.

I get frustrated when older folks blame modern technology for this and that while updating their facebook status from a smartphone. You seem to get it, how about some perspective from the other Silver Tuna's?

(note, I've been cracking myself up coming up with funny names for old sailors: Silver Tuna's, Grey Gulls, Teaks, etc.)
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