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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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99% of that is defense mechanism and rationalizing. Most people just feel safer staying home and mowing the lawn, or going to the mall and buying new jeans. In evolutionalry terms, were are descended from those who stayed safe. In social terms , the herd stays together.

I would reply that I would love to mow my lawn more and I would love to shop at the mall more, but I just can't. I just can't seem to manage it. Then again, I know from my great aunt that my ancestors were sailors and stubborn loners.
Hehe, yep, lawn mowing is great, I do it here, will have to do it today, but I am not hooked on lawn care. I am thoroughly hooked on sailing, travelling, and exploring. Some of my family had a bit of the bug in the past, back in the 1500's a few of them got together and went sailing, they left Spain and landed in Mexico. They then left Mexico and went to Florida, and while they claimed it was to seek trade, or bring the message of the church, my guess it was a nookie hunt in foreign lands that sold them on it.... time changes a lot of things, but.....

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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

If people stay with in tight sociological parameters and don't look outside these parameters they will remain in their safe little world......all will be well....problem is life is not as stable as is one was....but the masses still believe they are safe and don't know of any other possibility. Anyone who thinks of giving up their "safe little world" and sailing off into the tropical unset goes against the grain of "the accepted norm".
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

I can sum up an answer quite easily, the rich get richer while the poor get stiffed. I live in Tasmania & i've tried six ways from sunday to get regular work. Then maybe I could save enough money to do the things I really want to do...like buy a boat.
My circumstances always seem to dictate that the more money I have the more I have to pay out just to break even. Just the cost of living is enough to keep us moderate income earners broke. Everything keeps getting more expensive, food, electricity, vehicle registration, insurances & the list goes on. I can barely afford to put food in the cupboard and fuel in the car at the same time.
It seems clear to me that governments are manipulators & happy to make money off us for nothing. In Australia you now need a "white card" just to walk onto a building site. You need a skippers ticket before you step onto a boat.

As a parent of an 11yr old in primary school I can't even go with him & his class into the change rooms when they all do swim class. I NEED A "WORKING WITH CHILDREN CHECK" & of course the government charge money for that. I spoke with a teacher a few years ago, she'd been doing it for 35 years and cause the governmemt introduced a new law she had to spend $50 of her own money to pay for a "working with children check"!
The cost of a decent yacht, caravan, camper, house or vehicle is far to exspensive nowadays. Not to mention the rego' & insurance that go with it.

Money is controlled by banks & governments & they share with us when it suits them. Heck they can even take money off us if we havn't any "proof" where it came from. No wonder young people don't own boats
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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I can sum up an answer quite easily, the rich get richer while the poor get stiffed. I live in Tasmania & i've tried six ways from sunday to get regular work. Then maybe I could save enough money to do the things I really want to do...like buy a boat.
My circumstances always seem to dictate that the more money I have the more I have to pay out just to break even. Just the cost of living is enough to keep us moderate income earners broke. Everything keeps getting more expensive, food, electricity, vehicle registration, insurances & the list goes on. I can barely afford to put food in the cupboard and fuel in the car at the same time.
It seems clear to me that governments are manipulators & happy to make money off us for nothing. In Australia you now need a "white card" just to walk onto a building site. You need a skippers ticket before you step onto a boat.

As a parent of an 11yr old in primary school I can't even go with him & his class into the change rooms when they all do swim class. I NEED A "WORKING WITH CHILDREN CHECK" & of course the government charge money for that. I spoke with a teacher a few years ago, she'd been doing it for 35 years and cause the governmemt introduced a new law she had to spend $50 of her own money to pay for a "working with children check"!
The cost of a decent yacht, caravan, camper, house or vehicle is far to exspensive nowadays. Not to mention the rego' & insurance that go with it.

Money is controlled by banks & governments & they share with us when it suits them. Heck they can even take money off us if we havn't any "proof" where it came from. No wonder young people don't own boats
My friend, I mean you no disrespect, but blaming others for your lack or needs is simply foolish. I once lived in an area where the economy sucked, the jobs outlook was non-existent, and the wages for what few jobs there were would not meet the needs of a family. I did not blame anyone, I packed up my family, and my crap, and I moved. I moved to another state, I actively and aggressively pursued opportunity when I found it, no matter where it presented itself. I made my own opportunities when others did not present themselves. I lived within the laws of the land, and I worked my arse off. I faced and overcame a ton of obstacles, but I did it with help from my friends and family and my faith, I made it through the rough patches.

You can too. Think outside the box, move if you cannot find work to a place where it is more abundant. I wish you the best.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

My feelings fall somewhere in the middle of the above statement but I give the poster credit. I'm baffled by places like Detroit where the economy totally collapsed, yet there are people that still sit there. People used to migrate more for work, so if you live in a place like the rust belt and there are no jobs then move somewhere else. Don't sit there and expect the government to subsidise a dying or dead industry.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Thing is the rich boaters have been led to believe (like the rest of our culture) that they can't do anything for themselves and the marine industry has created a mystique of sorts cashing in on that....well us poor boaters can't afford to pay marine techs for every little thing....we learn to do for ourselves....and using this knowledge we can also do stuff for the rich boaters ie the rich boaters make it possible for us poor boaters...a continuation of this is rich boater NEEDING to get the latest greatest techno gadgets and there "obsolete" (but perfectly good) stuff goes for little or nothing.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

My situation depicts that i moved here (Tasmania) to help a relative who has since "turned" on me. Other local relatives have since followed suit, for reasons no worse than me not going to christmas lunches. Despite all this I have decided to stay in this area so my son (11 yrs old) can finish primary school. It's just one thing after another regarding the hurdles I must jump, hirdles I might add that are usually thrown up by others and not discovered through my lack of abilities. Maybe by the time i'm 45 I will be able to have the financial freedom I seek. By then though I won't be young enough to reply to a thread like this one, Kind of ironic ha'!
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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My situation depicts that i moved here (Tasmania) to help a relative who has since "turned" on me. Other local relatives have since followed suit, for reasons no worse than me not going to christmas lunches. Despite all this I have decided to stay in this area so my son (11 yrs old) can finish primary school. It's just one thing after another regarding the hurdles I must jump, hirdles I might add that are usually thrown up by others and not discovered through my lack of abilities. Maybe by the time i'm 45 I will be able to have the financial freedom I seek. By then though I won't be young enough to reply to a thread like this one, Kind of ironic ha'!
Well, most of us who are replying to the thread are not young, we all want younger people to join in with the sailing community and enjoy the wonderful experience of sailing. I think most young people could greatly benefit from a year or two of sailing, a cruise or circumnavigation would give them the insight on their own situation that would be helpful in overcoming obstacles in other aspects of life.

I hope that you will not wait too long to get started sailing, and I hope that you will involve your children and family. My first sailboat was dead cheap. It took a ton of work, which at the time I was too broke to pay anyone else to do, and I enjoyed doing it. I learned a lot, still have a lot to learn, and enjoy every minute of it, or at least I have learned to appreciate even the hard stuff. I can afford a bit more these days, but I do not spend willy nilly, I save my money and do as much as I can myself. I know that I have to really budget my money if I am going to be able to cruise and see the places I want to see. I hope you get past all of the silliness with the regulations and laws and restrictions on your life there and get to sail sooner rather than later, but if not then later is better than never.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Is this the part where people who "have" it tell those who don't to pull up the bootstraps and ride?? 'cause I see lots of people busting their arse trying to make it day to day, and barely staying ...ahem..."afloat".

It takes a bunch of 12 hour days for a lot of people to just crack their monthly nut. To be
"creative, think outside the box, shift gears and all" takes time and enough money to be able to do just that. It ain't gonna happen the way the majority of people have to work today.

Definitely is not the l960's.......

Wait until these "grandparents" out there have to listen to their grandkids being enslaved because in order to go to school you have to mortgage 30 years of your life to pay off that loan. The same schooling that they may have had and paid for by working a part time summer job. Those days and opportunities are gone...long gone.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

As always, we can point to a specific individual and say that he is doing okay. But to understand the issue you need to look at the broad numbers.

I do think this article from today's NY Times relates somewhat to what is being discussed here.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...D5150C9EC722A6



Lowell and Richmond embody many of the structural forces, like deindustrialization and declining blue-collar jobs, that frame working-class young people’s attempts to come of age in America today. The economic hardships of these men and women, both white and black, have been well documented. But often overlooked are what the sociologists Richard Sennett and Jonathan Cobb in 1972 called their “hidden injuries” — the difficult-to-measure social costs borne by working-class youths as they struggle to forge stable and meaningful adult lives.


Powerless to achieve external markers of adulthood like marriage or a steady job, they instead measure their progress by cutting ties, turning inward and numbing themselves emotionally.

We don’t want to go back to the 1950s, when economic stability and social solidarity came at the cost of exclusion for many Americans. But nor can we afford the social costs of going forward on our present path of isolation. The social and economic decline of the American working class will only be exacerbated as its youngest members make a virtue out of self-blame, distrust and disconnection. In order to tell a different kind of coming-of-age story, we need to provide these young men and women with the skills and support to navigate the road to adulthood. Our future depends on it.
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