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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Well there you go. I haven't heard of a Pesci vegan before. I thought you thought he was a vegan because he sai he eats organic. I am however a pescetarian and I can tell you we are not all that strange. Not a bad diet really. Very healthy.
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In my 20's, I would work in this yard for a freind on Big Pine key doing, ya know, yard work. I lived on my boat out on the hook. I was the only boat out in a secluded lagoon, just north of the No Name bridge. I rowed in every morning and rode my bike to his house. I would rake up his yard and would not eat untill a Guava fell off the tree. I would'nt even pick one. I weighed about 100 pounds less than I do now. I get the whole Idealistic young man gunna live the natural way stuff. Now on the tug boat I eat any cut of meat from any kind of animal. Almost. I also don't condone the living on the Dole thing. I did however, 20 years ago, load 6 months worth of rice and beans on my boat using food stamps. I hated the Government and the state of the world in my early 20's. I have paid this back to society ten fold through charity and food drive donations. In my 30's I understood the world a little better and wanted to change it for the better some how. Now, in my 40's.....I'm hungry in the morning and a little tired in the afternoon. I feel like working enough to support my wife, life, and put some away for my future, and Sail. I really like to sail...and drink....I like to sail and drink. I've set my self up where I'm the only boat in a big tropical bay, where the wind alway's blows out of the east in the afternoon, and the water is so clear you can see a coral head a 1/4 mile away. it's all about the choices you make as young man that will dictate how you end up in middle age. I did'nt procreate. I felt the world had enough people in it. I certainaly did'nt feel so friken specail that the world would be a better place with a bunch of little me's running around in it. Nor did I feel I was bringing home an income that would provide a decent upbringing to a child. I waited till 40 to marry my girlfriend of 15 years, just to be sure I was sure. How it is people who are bringing in 70 grand a year can't find a way to be hugely successful with that kind of flow boggles me. I found a gig where I was push'n 80 g's once. I made enough the first year to move to Isla Mujeres, rent out Corona's old abandoned wharehouse, and build a 3000 square foot night Club in side. Wilma took it, but that's not the point. Choices. Young people. That is it. If you are serious about living the life of a sailor, it can be extremely afforadable if the right choices are made early on. So much so it ends up being the only thing you can afford. If you wait to get in the game after you've walked the path of the Landlubber, it get's harder and harder and more and more expensive. It takes extreme sacrifice and life change. I was lucky in that by living the life of a sailor, I married a sailor girl. It's hard to convince a girl from town to try the life out there. Kid's and the Girl you choose are going to dictate what you are able to do later in life. I've been ranting so long I forgot which thread this is. This is Gear and maintenance right?
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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Well there you go. I haven't heard of a Pesci vegan before. I thought you thought he was a vegan because he sai he eats organic. I am however a pescetarian and I can tell you we are not all that strange. Not a bad diet really. Very healthy.
North, You may be a pescetarian or a Presbyterian or whatever, but I have not seen you claim (yet ) to be a reincarnated pirate living off of welfare. You also seem to be a somewhat reasonable person and decent enough. I like the fishes because the fishes are delicious, and I eat some veggies too, but I do not mind a nice medium rare porterhouse steak laying there next to the shrimp and salmon and veggies either.

When living on a boat I believe I will be eating a lot more fish, because it will be very much impossible to resist the urge to fish and then eat the fish I catch.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Cool stuff aaaron. Im with you man. Im stacking chips now and three to five im outty. 30 is the cut age no matter what. I think i can do it in 3. Makes me 28.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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Cool stuff aaaron. Im with you man. Im stacking chips now and three to five im outty. 30 is the cut age no matter what. I think i can do it in 3. Makes me 28.
At 28, I had owned and cruised on my boat for 10 years, and spent most of the 10 years prior to that living and cruising on the same boat with my grand father, so I was ready for a change and sick of being married to my boat, so I divorced her, sold her, and traveled for 2 years on land with the money. At 30 I moved back to Key West, got a contruction job from the dude I had sold her to, and bought her back through labour...1/2 my pay check. Every road has at least a trail at the end of it you can bush wack your way out of, a cliff you can scale or a body of water you can cross, I've never met a dead end.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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I think to a future looking personality type that is a trailer sailor budget. To a live for the moment personality type, it is easily a long distance boat budget.

Are any of you young cruisers saving for retirement? Are you middle aged cruisers with kids saving for your kids college education? I believe these costs have changed a bit since the 70s.

There are few pensions available for young people these days. The equivalent of a $40k/yr cola pension that was common for retirees only a decade ago is $1M in a 401k. I'm in my mid-30s I personally expect enough inflation over the next 30-50 years that I don't see $40k/yr being a luxurious retirement when I get there. I also hope to get a full social security payout, but I don't think I can count on the full amount so far in the future. So I want more than $1M when the time comes.

Start with a 70k salary. Subtract 20k in social security, medicare, federal income, state income, and local property taxes.

Lets say I plan to enjoy retirement and save 12k/yr between a 401k and Roth IRA.

Lets say I plan to pay for my kids college education like my parents did for me. In state tuition for state universities is up to an average of $22k/year and increasing about 7% every year. That means $550k to send my kids (2 and 7) to a typical in-state state university. Lets hope for 20% in scholarships and 8% return on 529 plans. I still need to save 7k per year per child for state university.

Subtract $3k for employee contributions to health insurance

Subtract $1k for liability insurance

So 70k - 15k taxes - 12k retirement - 14k college savings - 3k health insurance - 1k liability insurance = $25k net spending money

Even if someone owns a modest home and car outright and doesn't spend a lot on fast-food, restaurants, parties, consumerist goods etc, I can easily picture a long distance cruising boat and its ongoing costs beyond the budget of someone with a $70k/yr salary ... IF they are thinking about the future.
Again I'm not wanting to be cruel here but the guy that posted this and others like him have no chance of being a 20 or 30 something serious cruiser. This guy is your average person who lives an average life full of commitments to society, he dreams a little but that is it, nothing wrong with that. But young cruisers even those with plenty of money can not even think of living this life style mentioned above. You want to be a cruiser? Then screw your kids college education savings and let them eventually pay for it latter or send them to trade school some day. Save your money to go cruising and home school your kids, the education you and your family will get is way better than a Harvard education, believe me.

Sick or aging parents? Say good by to them and go. If I was dying and my kids wanted to go sailing around the world but would not leave so he or she could take care of me I would beat them to their senses then shoot myself to make sure they could go.

To be a full time cruiser you have to be selfish, sorry but that is what it takes no matter how much money you have rich or poor. We give to others when we can, even my kids get a little help when can. We always help local people with electrical, water and medical as that is what we have done with our lives working so we can continue sailing, so we help other in what we do best.

When I read on this thread that there are only a few young people they see out there sailing all over the place it is true but that makes sense because there are only maybe 15,000 world wide doing serious cruising and I would guess that maybe a third of them are under 40. That is not a bad number and the percent of young sailing is the same as when I crossed the Pacific for the first time in the early 1970's as a 20 year old. And I might add it is a lot more fun now than back then, much more fun!

You know this Wolfe guy from PT will make it in my book. I know I give him a hard time and he may be a bit of a whiner but he knows what he needs to do to go. I'll be curious to see if he is tough enough to go far. Most people I see post here do not appear to have what it takes but that is normal as only a few in the world understand the sacrifice it takes to really go. And it is actually harder for the wealthy to go than the poor, think about that if you have the ability to understand the selfishment and commitment it take to go.

There are a few here we look forward to meeting maybe some day in the years ahead be they young or old they have the desire. But most of you will always be at home paying your kids education, taking care of sick and aging parents, working to the bone so you can pay for all the crap you think you and your family need. We know the world cruising destinations on the most part will not be crowded so as it is not fun to do anymore because most of you won't get it done. Sorry I'm not being an ass just telling you the way it has been over the last 50 years that people have been serious cruising and it is not going to change that much.

I wish you who sacrifice almost everything to do this dream a safe well kept boat and fair winds. For those who dream but will never get it done I wish you peace and pleasure in your dreams. I wish nothing for those who don't dream.

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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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Oh ye of little faith...

From the Living with Livestock aboard thread



Not only does he state he is some sort of pesky vegan, but he suggest you drink nut milk.

You should know by now that I do not pull stuff out of my arse...


Just for giggle here are the definitions for a pesky or pesco vegan from Urban Dictionary
I eat food because it makes ME feel good....not because someone one else says I should or should not feel good about eating something.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

I'm 22. Live with my girlfriend who's 19 and were just now getting into the leisure of ocean cruising. I've been around boats on lakes for 15+ years so the whole pacific crusing is all new to me. I recently bought a 78 bayliner victoria 2750 sunbridge and I love it. Just getting it all prepared with my nav equipment but still fairly new with this scene. I was looking at sailboats but ones i liked were a bit high for my pricerange. I happened to come across this power cabin cruiser for a really good price I couldn't pass up. Now its all just a preparation for the water. Like I said I'm all new at this but I hope to meet some fellow sailors out here in the future of my voyages maybe even pick up some buddy boats to learn a lot from. Feel free to message me with tips you may have for us young guns. Or if ur interested in any buddy boats let me know. I live in cerritos cali so I generally cruise the long beach waters.here is a picture of my vessel
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Jeff, unless you have near bottomless pockets, which seems unlikely, you can't do ocean-cruising with a power-boat, it's like a gallon per nautical mile with some of those.
Sure power-cruisers are cheap to buy, the cheapest boats in the sailboats section on kjiji are miscategorized power boats, ranging from free to $7. Likely because it's so expensive to use them.
Most power-cruisers stay at the dock all the time,
and if they want to go a little farther than the next port, they switch over to a sailing buddies' boat.

So if you plan to get across the pacific or even to hawaii, sell the power cruiser or give it back and get a sailboat, even if it's smaller or requires repairs, you'll save big money long term not having to pay for every mile.

KarlP, with that little left over, would be the same amount me and my family is making, so can still save up to move onto a boat.

Mark, ya, the pensions and schooling savings seems rather silly, given that they were nearly nullified after the 2008 crash, and the underlying issues haven't been solved, merely bandaged.
I came to the conclusion that a much better pension-plan is to have children and intentional-community,
raised with attachment-parenting and homeschooling or community equivalent.

Oh and sure, I'm not your average Joe, but he doesn't go sailing either.
Also the pirate stuff of yesteryear stays there, in this new world things are quite different.
The focus however is on freedom, libre, and yes plain old free, like when we were hunter-gatherers,
we didn't have to pay to live, we simply got and made what we needed. In a truly lawful society,
that basis it's laws on precedent, the past ways of living should be available in the present.
Indeed it is diversity that allows for maximum adaptability of a species.
Anyways in contemporary society there are some routes which promote freedom,
non-profit/co-operatives, copyleft, open-source software, hardware, DIY, sailing, I support and practice them all.

Hannah, I like your point :-), a certain amount of sacrifice is certainly necessary, the benefits of cruising have to outweigh them of course.
Sure just as with accomplishing many things out of the norm, selfishness plays a role, since your dreams must outweigh others.

For all those averse to government income,
it may be a programmed response, as the poor are often scapegoated,
especially in news media owned by the very rich.

Personally, I have a small online business, selling various things non-profit (I see profit as theft), only basic cost of materials and labour, with instructions available to DIY.
Otherwise what this world really needs, isn't more money, but rather good examples of simple and sustainable living -- sailing, biking, forest-gardening, Eco-communities. This is one my main life missions at the moment.
Jeff, unless you have near bottomless pockets, which seems unlikely, you can't do ocean-cruising with a power-boat, it's like a gallon per nautical mile with some of those.
Sure power-cruisers are cheap to buy, the cheapest boats in the sailboats section on kjiji are miscategorized power boats, ranging from free to $7. Likely because it's so expensive to use them.
Most power-cruisers stay at the dock all the time,
and if they want to go a little farther than the next port, they switch over to a sailing buddies' boat.

So if you plan to get across the pacific or even to hawaii, sell the power cruiser or give it back and get a sailboat, even if it's smaller or requires repairs, you'll save big money long term not having to pay for every mile.

KarlP, with that little left over, would be the same amount me and my family is making, so can still save up to move onto a boat.

Mark, ya, the pensions and schooling savings seems rather silly, given that they were nearly nullified after the 2008 crash, and the underlying issues haven't been solved, merely bandaged.
I came to the conclusion that a much better pension-plan is to have children and intentional-community,
raised with attachment-parenting and homeschooling or community equivalent.

Oh and sure, I'm not your average Joe, but he doesn't go sailing either.
Also the pirate stuff of yesteryear stays there, in this new world things are quite different.
The focus however is on freedom, libre, and yes plain old free, like when we were hunter-gatherers,
we didn't have to pay to live, we simply got and made what we needed. In a truly lawful society,
that basis it's laws on precedent, the past ways of living should be available in the present.
Indeed it is diversity that allows for maximum adaptability of a species.
Anyways in contemporary society there are some routes which promote freedom,
non-profit/co-operatives, copyleft, open-source software, hardware, DIY, sailing, I support and practice them all.

Hannah, I like your point :-), a certain amount of sacrifice is certainly necessary, the benefits of cruising have to outweigh them of course.
Sure just as with accomplishing many things out of the norm, selfishness plays a role, since your dreams must outweigh others.

For all those averse to government income,
it may be a programmed response, as the poor are often scapegoated,
especially in news media owned by the very rich.

Personally, I have a small online business, selling various things non-profit (I see profit as theft), only basic cost of materials and labour, with instructions available to DIY.
Otherwise what this world really needs, isn't more money, but rather good examples of simple and sustainable living -- sailing, biking, forest-gardening, Eco-communities. This is one my main life missions at the moment.

Wolfen, I eat what allows me to be optimally healthy based on nutritional guidelines, and minimizing contaminants.

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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

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Jeff, unless you have near bottomless pockets, which seems unlikely, you can't do ocean-cruising with a power-boat, it's like a gallon per nautical mile with some of those.
Sure power-cruisers are cheap to buy, the cheapest boats in the sailboats section on kjiji are miscategorized power boats, ranging from free to $7. Likely because it's so expensive to use them.
Most power-cruisers stay at the dock all the time,
and if they want to go a little farther than the next port, they switch over to a sailing buddies' boat.

So if you plan to get across the pacific or even to hawaii, sell the power cruiser or give it back and get a sailboat, even if it's smaller or requires repairs, you'll save big money long term not having to pay for every mile.

KarlP, with that little left over, would be the same amount me and my family is making, so can still save up to move onto a boat.

The 350 in the boat is getting about 6 nautic

Mark, ya, the pensions and schooling savings seems rather silly, given that they were nearly nullified after the 2008 crash, and the underlying issues haven't been solved, merely bandaged.
Oh and sure, I'm not your average Joe, but he doesn't go sailing either.
Also the pirate stuff of yesteryear stays there, in this new world things are quite different.

Hannah, I like your point :-), a certain amount of sacrifice is certainly necessary, the benefits of cruising have to outweigh them of course.
Sure just as with accomplishing many things out of the norm, selfishness plays a role, since your dreams must outweigh others.

For all those averse to government income, nautical
it may be a programmed response, as the poor are often scapegoated,
especially in news media owned by the very rich.

Personally, I have a small online business, selling various things non-profit (I see profit as theft), only basic cost of materials and labour, with instructions available to DIY.
Otherwise what this world really needs, isn't more money, but rather good examples of simple and sustainable living -- sailing, biking, forest-gardening, eco-communities. This is one my main life missions at the moment.
The 350 smallblock is getting about 6-8 nautical miles per gallons though I can i nly hold 50 gallons in the boat. I got a good deal which I couldn't pass up and ill remodel the whole living area to double maybe even triple the money I'd have into it. I have all tools and connections to completely remodel for cheap or next to a few hundred dollars. I feel I can gain experience in learning the ocean on a powerboat. But id like to stepup to a sail when the time and prices are right. i mainly want to be able to get back n forth to catalina and maybe some day cruises thru the harbors and coastlines
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