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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Lol maybe cruising is just a little over rated by baby boomers.

Personally I blame the women (as does Jimmy Buffet). No showers or A/C on the boats most of us are sailing, slip/mooring ball fees are not cheap and if you just want to anchor for free well then going in for a night on the town can be difficult logistically (where do you put the dinghy, and will it be there when you get back?). So most nights you are stuck on an anchor off of some beach, with most of the company that is on the hook next to you being about 30 years older than you are. You can enjoy yourself on that beach, catch up on reading, do some fishing, etc, and while it might be fun for a few nights, cruising can be more uncomfortable than enjoyable in a lot of ways, esp when it gets hot and the wind dies and you are trying to sleep sweating bullets...
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Ya, been there.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??






I have less in Seafever in 2012 than i did in the J24 in 1981 we did stick with the tan/green color

BUT in all honesty my goodness it cost far more money to do ANYTHING now

There is no way my children who still sail with me and are older than i was when i bought the J24 could even begin to come up with the cost in 2012
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

Definitely financial. I would never have been able to afford a boat without 2 well paying jobs(1 full time+benefits, the other 30+ hrs a week now). If I'd known what even a small boat cost, I probably wouldn't have gone for it. My Alberg 30, and the work I've had to do to it over the last couple months+the fees for a slip for a year have cost more than I would spend to ride around the entire world on my motorbike which would take me 18 months or a couple years. Even with the idea of costs that I had previously, I couldn't afford a boat I could sleep on except as a liveaboard.


Dunno where you folks live, but around here, there is no way I would have the disposable income to afford a smaller boat that I couldn't live on full time. Most marinas are not really interested in the smaller boats either, at least not within an hour of my house. Can't trailer it since cars and trucks are too expensive to own and insure(1650$/yr for liability only for my 86 diesel VW golf the last year I had it). Even if they were, no place to store it on land without several hundred dollars more in fees since few people have a yard big enough.

I didn't know how to approach it. Marinas seemed so gated off and aggressively guarded. I had no idea how open and welcoming the community might be, in my experience elsewhere nobody wants to have anybody along for something who isn't either paying, or very experienced with certifications etc to back it up. If I'd known how easy it was to crew or learn to sail I might have considered it as a hobby. Fairly unlikely considering how busy I am, but possible I suppose.


Many people my age(more girls than guys, as seems to be the way of things these days) want to learn how to sail, as it is seen as a great way to travel and are amazed and envious of the fact that I have bought a boat, most people are shocked at the idea that I could afford a boat at my age.

So I'd say lack of experience and education is the biggest problem. Nobody knows HOW to meet the people to learn from, or what to ask if they do.
Also in hindsight, if I'd know how cheap it was longer term(despite the big costs I'm facing) I would have bought the boat sooner, and the costs would have been spread over several years, now I am looking at the costs only being spread over a couple years and it is much less pleasant.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

In spite of the cool damp Juneuary we got through toJulvember1 ,our big national birthday.After a good sailing weekend in Victoria ,we drove up to Naniamo, 70 miles. The highway was chockablock with 5th wheel and motor homes heading back to Vic because it rained Monday.Don't know the average value but yearly depreciation on a big one is more than my boat has cost me in 30 years. It would seem that there is no shortage of disposable income among my peers (if I may include myself in that herd) How we dispose of said income is a matter of personal choice,as is the example we make to our offspring. This may have something to do with a rather common lack of inspiration on their part. Society's values go a long way to determine the next generations' direction. Cruising between Walmart parking lots is not my idea of an entry level inter- generational adventure. I'm thankful my father was a fisherman who expected me to work along side him at age ten and built my first sail boat at fifteen. Connection?( Since then I've sailed Bay of Islands, both Desolation Sounds AND the Whitsundays.)
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

I live in Vancouver, I owned an apartment and a 30ft Catalina for a while, then sold the boat and rented the apartment. My wife and I didn't come from money or ever got bailed out, we just worked hard and didn't spend our money on $8 cocktails and $15 hamburgers every day. We even saved money for our trip while working, owning and insuring vehicles, paying the mortgage, going on trips. We knew where almost every dollar went, which might be the difference, I met a lot of people my age, while having to work as a bank teller, who made twice as much money as me and had nothing to show for it. I never had any of my friends make an effort to meet up with me to go sailing, and it was free for them.

Just a strange mentality. I think it might also have to do with how younger people are afraid to fail, so they put barriers up or don't try.

I dunno, but it is interesting hearing perspectives on what people think about it. Baby boomers getting into cruising should be concerned, because who is going to buy your boat after you spend 5 years of retirement on it, and need to sell for health reasons.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

How right youme. I retired broke and young, Lived in an open hull and picked bottles and metal 5 years while I built Thane over me. Cost 12 grand and now I don't see the next gen dreaming boat. or even asking to crew Now I'm 69, boat is 35 and makes me 100 grand a year. Fortunately we're both self steering but what to do at the waypoint.
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How right youme. I retired broke and young, Lived in an open hull and picked bottles and metal 5 years while I built Thane over me. Cost 12 grand and now I don't see the next gen dreaming boat. or even asking to crew Now I'm 69, boat is 35 and makes me 100 grand a year. Fortunately we're both self steering but what to do at the waypoint.
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Just a strange mentality. I think it might also have to do with how younger people are afraid to fail, so they put barriers up or don't try.

I dunno, but it is interesting hearing perspectives on what people think about it. Baby boomers getting into cruising should be concerned, because who is going to buy your boat after you spend 5 years of retirement on it, and need to sell for health reasons.
I am hearing you and umm I don't know either.

Interestingly enough the minimum wage down here is the equivalent of $16 US. There are also plenty of young folk in the country making good money. Mining has seen our country become more and more afluent, plenty of guys head off to the mines and make a fortune.

Despite all of this, while they are buying flash cars, gadgets, and real estate, they are still not going cruising.

The cool thing about all of this is that they young folk out there doing it are generally speaking pretty awesome

That so few are doing it, that it is so hard now means that the guys and gals like youmeandthed who are doing it have alot to be proud of

In life I have found that it is always easier and more widely acceptable to not follow your dreams.
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Re: The future of the sailing world. Why are there so few young people cruising??

The overarching reason is that sailing is completely absent from our cultural radar.

Why were there more baby boomers out in their 20s? Because they grew up in an era where sailing was celebrated as an exciting and adventurous activity. Think about how the global races all started in the late 60s and early 70s: The Golden Globe Race, The Whitbread, The Route Du Rhum. Think of Robin Lee Graham's voyage and how it captivated a generation of young sailors.

Sailing was a part of the whole counterculture of the time. Cruising was (and probably still is) the last bastion of freedom and self-reliance in a very paranoid and frightened world.

Why does my generation not care about sailing? Probably for the same reason we don't care about politics and are generally ignorant of the world at large.

Are there other factors? Sure, there are plenty: We don't have the likes of Pearson marketing sailing as a post-war, middle-class aspiration, those who might be sailors are into "extreme sports" instead, student loans, computers, the internet, the yacht clubbing 80's, the death of American boat builders in the 90's...the list goes on.

But I do think if we weren't so apathetic and had just a small spark of our parent's baby boom ire, we would see the incredible potential of owning a sailboat.
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