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Interesting, that you seem to imply a tax on boats would cause unemployment. Do you know if the Europeans include the prison population in their calculations?
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87.635% of all statistic are made up anyway!
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Re: Danger - greek taxes

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I don't have time to research this but it sounds like the EU VAT which has been around for a very long time and is charged on any boat that has not paid the EU VAT. The VAT is waived on EU boats which have paid the VAT, but it sounds like this guy is from Au.

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While this is generally true, if a VAT paid boat leaves the EU for long enough (I don't remember how long), then it triggers a new "chargeable event" (I think that's the correct term) when it returns and VAT is then due again.

Also, although the rules are universal, interpretation sometimes varies by country. This is one area where you really need to do your homework first.
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Can anybody tell me what the taxes are actually for?

For the privilege of entering Greek waters?
Or for spending money in the local shop and supermarkets?
For eating in local restaurants?

What are these taxes actually for?
What are any taxes "for". Sometimes there was an original purpose, sometimes not but the taxes all end up being used by the taxing authority to pay for all the things that taxing authority provides and the costs of administering that authority. Is British road tax still used for mainlining (err maintaining - damn spell check) the roads as originally intended? No, it just goes into the exchequer. Same the world over.
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Can anybody tell me what the taxes are actually for?

For the privilege of entering Greek waters?
Or for spending money in the local shop and supermarkets?
For eating in local restaurants?

What are these taxes actually for?
They are to support the welfare state that is Greece...
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Re: Danger - greek taxes

What is the tax rate if I import a boat into the US ? Maybe it varies from state to state but I remember when contemplating buying a boat in the US that I had 90 days to remove it from US waters or taxes kicked in.

Situation here is most likely the same and the boat has simply sat in Greece for umpteen years. Greece has been know in the past for being very lax about tax collection, their current woes have no doubt hardened their resolve.

I'm still only guessing here but I figure this is a case of "everybody has been doing it and not getting caught" .... only this time they did.
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Re: Danger - greek taxes

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Socialism and poverty, how they cling to each other!
There's a whole subforum set aside for those remarks. Can we stick, at least marginally, to discussing the issue of this person's boat and the taxes they owe. Generalised comments about socialism, free-markets, etc are not what people come to read about in sailing/boat related threads.
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Socialism and poverty, how they cling to each other!
Internet forums and glib, ridiculously oversimplified and irrelevant comments, how they cling to each other.

That contributes nothing to this thread - it belongs Off-Topic, if anywhere.
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Re: Danger - Greek taxes

We are an Australian boat cruising in Greece, we know Michael (the original poster) and can provide some additional information.

The tax is not the VAT. Michael's boat is VAT paid so that is not an issue for them. (It is an issue for us as our Australian registered boat is not EU-VAT paid so we have to manage our time in the EU not to exceed 18 months or be prepared to pay VAT). It is worth noting that EU boats are not liable for the tax (EU countries have already contributed enormously to Greece's maritime infrastructure as evidenced by the many port reconstruction projects funded by the EU as well as the losses they have made with the recent write-down of Greek Bonds).

Recently we have decided to stay in Greece for longer than 3 months. Even before learning of Michael's situation we started making enquiries about paying the tax. Since hearing Michael's story our enquiries have taken on more urgency. We have had frustrations with the Greek Port Police and Customs.

We originally entered Greece on Samos Island and the Customs officer there gave us a very clear lecture about the tax that Michael refers to. He told us that if the boat stays in Greece more than 3 months then we will be liable for the tax - and quoted an amount of about EUR250 for our 13 metre boat for each complete 3 month period. When we checked at Gytheon (in the Peloponnese) the Port Police officer there was able to quickly check his computer and give us the same information. So it seems that there are some officials in the Greek system who are aware of the tax.

However, since then we have enquired at two other locations and the Port Police and Customs appeared to have had no knowledge of the tax - even when pushed (and of course you can only push officials very gently). On one of these visits we even watched as a New Zealand boat checked out of the port and was only charged EUR20 despite having been in Greece for 8 months. The NZ skipper knew that he should probably have been changed more (he had EUR700 in his pocket in anticipation) but understandably did not push the point. These were the same officials that Michael has been dealing with for the 8-or-so years his boat has been in the country.

We expect to be spending more time in Greece in the future and do not want to end up in Michael's situation as a result of incompetent officials. We want to stay within the law and pay any taxes due (so we can sleep at night). We have asked Michael to send the details of the relevant law (which he now has a copy of).

It is anybody's guess about what might happen!
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Re: Danger - greek taxes

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I'm still only guessing here but I figure this is a case of "everybody has been doing it and not getting caught" .... only this time they did.
It sure sounds that way in this case. The most telling information from the "aggrieved party" is not in the details he posted, but in the info he has chosen NOT to post.
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