Another tragedy on the water - SailNet Community

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related)
 Not a Member? 


Like Tree11Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-05-2012
smurphny's Avatar
Over Hill Sailing Club
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Adirondacks NY
Posts: 2,917
Thanks: 67
Thanked 67 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 6
smurphny is on a distinguished road
Another tragedy on the water

News from The Associated Press
__________________
Alberg 35: With a philosophical flourish Cato throws himself upon his sword; I quietly take to the ship.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #2  
Old 07-05-2012
DivingOtter's Avatar
Otter
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toms River NJ
Posts: 183
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 3
DivingOtter is on a distinguished road
Re: Another tragedy on the water

I hate to say it, but 27 people on a 34 foot vessel is a recipe for disaster.
smurphny likes this.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #3  
Old 07-05-2012
tommays's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,282
Thanks: 1
Thanked 29 Times in 29 Posts
Rep Power: 7
tommays will become famous soon enough
Re: Another tragedy on the water

The chaos that goes on after a fireworks show on the water is beyond believe

A local family for us on a boat we pass every wednesday
__________________
1970 Cal 29 Sea Fever

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

1981 J24 Tangent 2930
Tommays
Northport NY


If a dirty bottom slows you down what do you think it does to your boat
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #4  
Old 07-05-2012
Yacht Broker
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Tortola, British Virgin Islands
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Brian Duff is on a distinguished road
Re: Another tragedy on the water

that all depends on what type of boat... I used to run a glass bottom boat that seated 28 folks and was 34' long, and it seemed very safe, granted that boat had benches down each side and large railing around the middle (glass panels) so they couldn't all rush to one side, and the deck they walked on was well below sea level so it was very stable too. but I still maintain you can't make a blanket statement like "I hate to say it, but 27 people on a 34 foot vessel is a recipe for disaster."

A silverton , however, would of had all those folks well above waterline and is so sketch anyway, no wonder it capsized! Bad seamanship!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #5  
Old 07-05-2012
bljones's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: South Coast Ontario
Posts: 8,207
Thanks: 33
Thanked 74 Times in 67 Posts
Rep Power: 8
bljones has a spectacular aura about bljones has a spectacular aura about
Re: Another tragedy on the water

4-5000 lbs of moving ballast 4-12' above the waterline is not going to end well. I feel badly for all involved.
wayne56 likes this.
__________________
It's 5 o'clock somewhere:


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #6  
Old 07-05-2012
DivingOtter's Avatar
Otter
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Toms River NJ
Posts: 183
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 3
DivingOtter is on a distinguished road
Re: Another tragedy on the water

A vessel designed to tug along with that many people is one thing. A boat designed to have maybe a dozen is another. Therefore I will change my statement to " 27 people on a 34 ft Silverton is a recipe for disaster".
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #7  
Old 07-05-2012
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Newport RI
Posts: 36
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
newportermike is on a distinguished road
Re: Another tragedy on the water

Here in Newport, where we have jazz concerts/ folk concerts right on the waters edge at Fort Adams the coast guard and harbormaster boats are always greatly vigilant.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #8  
Old 07-05-2012
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,963
Thanks: 27
Thanked 54 Times in 51 Posts
Rep Power: 7
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Re: Another tragedy on the water

Seven years ago a houseboat capsized in Lake Okanagan when everyone moved over to one side. 60 people on a boat with capacity for 30.
bristol29 likes this.
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #9  
Old 07-05-2012
SchockT's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: North Vancouver, BC
Posts: 1,426
Thanks: 1
Thanked 27 Times in 25 Posts
Rep Power: 3
SchockT is on a distinguished road
Re: Another tragedy on the water

Without a doubt that boat was massively overloaded, and I doubt very much he had enough pfds for everyone as required by law. As far as I'm concerned the owner of the boat should be brought up on charges fir the deaths of those children.

Incidents like this also bring up that old question: If we have to be licenced to drive a car, why is it that anyone can operate any size pleasurecraft without having to prove you have any training or experience?
__________________
1979 Santana 30 Tall Rig
Hull#101
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
  #10  
Old 07-05-2012
jackdale's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 8,963
Thanks: 27
Thanked 54 Times in 51 Posts
Rep Power: 7
jackdale will become famous soon enough
Re: Another tragedy on the water

Quote:
Originally Posted by SchockT View Post

Incidents like this also bring up that old question: If we have to be licenced to drive a car, why is it that anyone can operate any size pleasurecraft without having to prove you have any training or experience?
Because boating is the last bastion of freedom.

At least that is what I am told.
__________________
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Offshore Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203, 204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Boating Tragedy safeboater General Discussion (sailing related) 44 06-30-2009 09:17 PM
Another tragedy SteveCox General Discussion (sailing related) 42 05-08-2009 06:17 PM
Here's another tragedy to ponder poopdeckpappy General Discussion (sailing related) 18 05-03-2007 09:32 PM
Tragedy on Lake Texoma cardiacpaul General Discussion (sailing related) 101 04-25-2007 07:27 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:51 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.