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Re: Couldn't do it

A boat is a "toy". The "toy" market is in the toilet. I sold all of my other toys to pursue my love of sailing, and I took a beating on all of them.

I had a small RV, a motorcycle and a fleet of vintage automobiles big enough to cause my own traffic jam.

No matter how much love, money, blood, sweat and tears you've poured into that boat, not only are you going to take a loss, you're going to deal with an endless parade of a$$hole$ until (and if) that one, serious buyer comes along.

You're doing the right thing:

Pull the composting head, (for you) and put an engine in it (for marketability).

My prediction:

Once the head has been replaced, you'll go sailing and love it. You will reconsider moving aboard, in the end, you won't sell the boat.
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Re: Couldn't do it

"A boat is a toy ?"
And there is the difference in mentality. True, for most people, it is. For people who call sailing a sport, it is a toy. For those of us who were raised aboard, lived aboard for our whole life, Have been through perilous off shore passages and live to tell, funded re-fit after re-fit, used them to make a living on, built our careers around them, and have sacrificed so much to have them, they are so much more than a toy. But yes, it's true, for most people, they are toy's, and the toy bizz is in the can.
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"A boat is a toy ?"
And there is the difference in mentality. True, for most people, it is. For people who call sailing a sport, it is a toy. For those of us who were raised aboard, lived aboard for our whole life, Have been through perilous off shore passages and live to tell, funded re-fit after re-fit, used them to make a living on, built our careers around them, and have sacrificed so much to have them, they are so much more than a toy. But yes, it's true, for most people, they are toy's, and the toy bizz is in the can.
To the land-bound world, and to the boat market yes, they are toys pure and simple, no matter how much emotion you have wrapped up in your boat. Brokers and boat shoppers don't care about your feelings.

However, I agree with you. My boat is much more to me than a toy. Way more.
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Re: Couldn't do it

yes< I was Agreeing to Agree with you, That lady Flo on the progressive commercials would classify my boat as a Toy if I were to try and insure it or, get a loan from a bank to buy one.
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Re: Couldn't do it

I'm confused. The buyer was expecting you to pay for the haul out? If I got that right all I can say is really? The whole thing sounds crazy. It's their loss.

I agree with other posters. I wouldn't add stuff like AC ect. to the boat. Maybe an inboard if you decide to sell.

Best of luck
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Re: Couldn't do it

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Chris: I am not surprised at your experience in trying to sell the boat, and I take no exception to your distaste with the survey process in this case. It seems for the best that this potential sale fell through. If you really wanted to sell the boat, you would have gone through with the survey (although I do agree that a four day survey for a boat that old at that price is really overkill).

I must respectfully disagree with the crowd here who suggest that you force yourself to go sailing now for your own good. Sailing and cruising are supposed to be enjoyable; we do these things sometimes because we want to (its fun!), and sometimes because we have to (stress relief, need for adventure, get away from the rat race). I don't know anyone who goes sailing or cruising because its the nautical equivalent of eating your vegetables. I've read a lot of your posts here, and I've followed your website. I sense nothing of the "cold feet" or "I've bitten off more than I can chew" to your writing. You sound like a young(ish) couple who have been involved in an all-encompassing, consuming effort to reshape your lives, and now that a major part of that is over, you are asking yourselves "what the heck are we doing?".

I am not a psychiatrist, nor do I play one on TV, but I think you have it right: keep the boat for now, maybe work on it some more (that seemed to be fulfilling, right?), maybe do some sailing, maybe not. No right or wrong answers here, just a lot of questions that only you two can answer.

You did a wonderful job with Heron; have you considered making boat restoration your chosen profession? If you aren't familiar with Tim Lackey's work, I highly recommend his website:

Lackey Sailing LLC | Restoring and Rebuilding Great* Boats

Maybe some ideas for you.

Best of luck to you, and I really look forward to reading about what comes next.
Nice, thanks so much

Regarding actual sailing, I'd like to stress to all that we are in a fine place with everything as far as that goes, we're not angsting about anything sailing related anymore. We still enjoy the water and sailing and all that, we're just in a place where we're thinking about how to go forward now that distance cruising is clearly not happening as the near term plan. Ideally, someone would have just bought her cleanly as I'd hoped, but since that isn't the case we're gonna do this now instead. If anything, we always try to remain open and flexible.

Cate and myself were talking today, and we are at the very least going to go ahead and install all the crap I haven't yet, - the internal electrical wiring (I have it all, I need to buy nothing), the depth/knot (have that too), a new traditional head, etc. I have a lot of work I can complete without actually buying anything (other than a head for a couple of hundred). I also have the wood on hand, so I am also going to rebuild the motor area and companionway steps so that they are the traditional setup that a motor can again fit into. The closer I can get her to "normal", the easier it'll be for me or someone else to repower her someday. This is all relatively easy stuff I can knock out quick.

Longer term, we are going to keep it loose and see what happens. Some possibilities we'd be open to would be trading for a larger, lesser sailboat to live on here on the bay, trading for a trawler or some sort of large power boat (heresy, I know), selling cleanly to someone who is willing to not bust my walnuts up over extensive surveys and the like, trading for a nice car + some cash.... basically we're open to just about anything up to and including just keeping her, repowering her and getting into distance cruising someday.

On a work related note, I'd love to get into boat building or restoration or something. Been thinking about pursuing becoming a surveyor as well.
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Re: Couldn't do it

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I'm confused. The buyer was expecting you to pay for the haul out? If I got that right all I can say is really? The whole thing sounds crazy. It's their loss.

I agree with other posters. I wouldn't add stuff like AC ect. to the boat. Maybe an inboard if you decide to sell.

Best of luck
No, he would have paid for the survey/haul - that was always understood.

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On a work related note, I'd love to get into boat building or restoration or something. Been thinking about pursuing becoming a surveyor as well.
I have to admire the irony of this

I say go for it - sounds like the right thing to do given your interest in boat building / fixing. Just expressing my amusement
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I have to admire the irony of this

I say go for it - sounds like the right thing to do given your interest in boat building / fixing. Just expressing my amusement
Well...I have to admit that when I read the general sentiment on most all the forums - that a survey is almost always necessary and recommended, it does present itself as a good little racke.... I mean.. occupation..
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Re: Couldn't do it

4 days? Sounds like the buyer was crazy... Then again my 3 hour 880$ survey( incl 30 min of sling time) left me buying a boat for 75% of your asking price, but since I have to take out all the things you haven't got to replace them and also fix the parts you've done lovely work on, it wasn't really a better deal. I'm glad you're keeping her :-)
I can see both sides, the cautious buyer(to avoid getting screwed like me) and the other side where it's crazy to be that fussy when the deal you are offering is so amazing.
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