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Re: I've taken your advice...and found a better boat

I've own two 30s and two 37 cutters of the Cherubini Hunters. Look at the mast step take a flat rule with you, if its not dished the post beam and deck (in that area) are ok. If its dish its not a hard fix. The last one I bought site unseen for 7400 a few years back contingent on sea trial. Went to Chicago looked over and sailed north to Holland same weekend. The owner of my company bought it the next year and fixed the mast step painted hull and deck in our shop looks great. So for four grand put it in the water if it motors its a great deal. You could part it out for that .
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A couple quick thoughts here. I owned a 1976 Hunter 27 Cherubini and it had major design flaw that caused the keel to nearly fall off!

My current boat was a good deal at $6500 I thought. Now at over $25000 and 4 years on the hard with keel problems, no so much!

The parts you buy for $4000 1976 boat cost the same as the parts for $100,000 2011 boat. So $500 for survey looks like a good deal to me these days!

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What design flaw?
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Yeah, i've done a lot of reading the past weekend and I haven't seen any sign of keel issues...
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You guys do realize a sea trail for a boat on the hard is ON your dime
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So I took a look at the boat tonight....the owner couldn't make it, which turned out to be good because I spent lot of time goig through it....only 2 cosmetic complaints which are fading blue deck pain and he hull liner in the cabin was removed...

New chain plates and mast step work was done in 2001...new Doyle sails in 2005

Owner is emailing me a 3 year old survey tonight....he is charging up the batteries at home and we'll run the motor this weekend.

I think I'll offer a half price deposit and the other half once it's floating...

I think I found the deal I'm looking for!
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The 1976 Hunter 27 had a recess in the bottom of the hull that the keel fitted up into. If you look in the bilge you realize that in order to make that recess in the bottom the stringers that go over the top of the keel are nearly cut in half at the middle. This reduces their strength by 4 times! There are only six stringers, about 12" between them, and the keel bolts are centered between the stringers on this large flat surface. On my boat that flat surface delaminated almost completely and the keel pulled the bolts down about 2"!

In fixing it I ground away all of the stringers completely, as well as most of the thickness of the hull over the entire keel area. Then I made new stringers placing them only 6" apart and glassing it all with many layers of woven roving and epoxy resin. Then I made large stainless plates that each fitted over two of the keel bolts. I used fabric reinforced conveyor belt under the plates to keep any hard spots from being crushed. I also installed a new bilge pump. After the keel repair though all we ever needed was a vacuum cleaner for the dust.

In 1978 Hunter replaced the recess with a short outward stub for the keel. Thus the stringers were now twice as thick as before at the center, and 4 times stronger.

On my current boat an Etap 26 the designer also made a huge flaw in not directly tying the retractable keel trunk directly into the hull stringers fore and aft. So the keel trunk pushes its way down through the hull and pulls the mast step down with it. The mast tabernacle tilts forward, binding the keel lift mechanism. Once I started writing about this issue with my boat on the owners newsgroup I found out that nearly every boat of this model suffers from the same problem.

I also rebuilt the swing keel on a Catalina 22. I seem to have an attraction for boats with bad keels!

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I think those rudder posts are hollow, I've filled one with a dowl and 5200 once. After it bent. My buddy sailed down to mex. next to my once and he could'nt turn when he got to Isla Mujeres becuase he'd been on the same tack for 4 day's.

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You guys do realize a sea trail for a boat on the hard is ON your dime
Hopefully he just keeps on going.

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Ck looks like a nice boat, I would hold out for a sea trail. I would throw a quick bottom paint job on at your expenss, If the sea trail goes well you can just leave her in the water and move her to your new home. The owner dosent have much of a loss he gets fresh bottom paint if you don't buy, and if she sinks your out 200.00 that you would of spent any way. When ever I look at a boat I take a small wooden mallet to sound the hulll and deck.
I hope you have found your boat MD

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