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I have often T-boned moored log booms at hull speed. The easiest way to tie up to them.No worries. Some steel hulls have only 1/8th inch hull plate, and lots of framing, which makes it much easier to tear a hole in them. Many like Foulkes and Fehr hulls are welded one side only, often the outsider,with most of the weld ground off to make it look pretty. Many are painted outside only with zero paint inside, which rusts thru quite rapidly. I prefer frameless 3/16th plate, well epoxied inside. My boats have hit barges, including the corner, at hull speed, with zero damage

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To the OP, send Minaret a PM on cruisersforum. He worked on a nordhaven that had hit a partially submerged container. The damage was impressive.
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Cruising sailors follow the winds, but containers fall off the motor vessels that go direct point-to-point, and then those containers likely wind up in mid-ocean gyres. In writing such an article, could be you should interview fishermen, not sailors?

The greater dangers for sailors are all those rocks close to shore, and the power-boaters who think that alcohol and speed are hot and easy twin sisters.
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In the cargo container world is there any serious discussion about making the hinges on the containers to where they would open up when submerged in water and thereby sinking? This came up in a discussion while we were delivering a boat to the BVI and had just sighted something mysterious floating just below the surface, we determined it was a small pile of plastic with accompanying eco system. but it started the stories flowing none the less.
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In the cargo container world is there any serious discussion about making the hinges on the containers to where they would open up when submerged in water and thereby sinking? This came up in a discussion while we were delivering a boat to the BVI and had just sighted something mysterious floating just below the surface, we determined it was a small pile of plastic with accompanying eco system. but it started the stories flowing none the less.
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This was a Reefer container..floats even if the doors where ajar. We tried to sink it. I have more pixs to be shown if the OP will publish the article that he promised.
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"In the cargo container world is there any serious discussion about"
Since they have no legal liability for flotsam, why would they waste the time of day discussing ways to lower their income and raise their expenses by refitting a couple of million cargo cubes?
Bottom line? Until and unless international law makes them liable for damages, and until and unless those damages cost more annually than refitting containers, nothing is goinjg to happen.
The same way that the US airlines only attend to safety issues when the cost of paying out death settlements surpasses the cost of the changes to prevent them. That's FAA-approved accounting with the value of the average death something like $3.2? $3.8? million dollars. If you can save one passenger-life per year, but it costs $4 million dollars to do that, you don't do it. Simple math.
These are businesses.
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Scary photo. I could see how that could ruin your midnight sail. Did you try to open the doors? C'mon lets see some more photos.
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Scary photo. I could see how that could ruin your midnight sail. Did you try to open the doors? C'mon lets see some more photos.
Yes... Ask the OP for the promised article for more pixs
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"In the cargo container world is there any serious discussion about"
Since they have no legal liability for flotsam, why would they waste the time of day discussing ways to lower their income and raise their expenses by refitting a couple of million cargo cubes?
Bottom line? Until and unless international law makes them liable for damages, and until and unless those damages cost more annually than refitting containers, nothing is goinjg to happen.
The same way that the US airlines only attend to safety issues when the cost of paying out death settlements surpasses the cost of the changes to prevent them. That's FAA-approved accounting with the value of the average death something like $3.2? $3.8? million dollars. If you can save one passenger-life per year, but it costs $4 million dollars to do that, you don't do it. Simple math.
These are businesses.
That is what is known as Cost/Benefit analysis and all corporations have teams of actuaries and lawyers working on those kind of calculations all the time.

It ALWAYS comes down to $$$$. Concepts such as right, wrong, duty, morality etc. have absolutely nothing to do with corporate governance.

I, myself, personally intend to continue being outspoken and opinionated, intolerant of all fanatics, fools and ignoramuses, deeply suspicious of all those who have "found the answer" and on my bad days, downright rude.
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That is what is known as Cost/Benefit analysis and all corporations have teams of actuaries and lawyers working on those kind of calculations all the time.

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And there's been no known deaths from containers. Where when something falls from a plane it either coins someone on the head or sets off the string of events as the Coke bottle in The Gods Must Be Crazy. Which South African film if you have not seen you should beg borrow or steal.

It was from the 1980s? And I still thing of the scene with the Land Rover and the gates and the winch and the tree. Funny film.
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