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Re: Calling all Florida sailors

larry, contact me directly at bill@thelittleocean.com or call me at 626-358-4840

your services will prolly be required... and yes, it is this wednesday, aug 1, 2012 not sure the exact time but early, to organize and prep the boat... then high tide near noon...
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and yea, not sure why CF does/acts the way they do... truly thought they were a cool site and offered a lot to folks like me.. but when I was banned last year for no reason, an d with no way to recompense, I have heard nothing but bad things about them... but the problem lies in with the complacency of all those that still frequent that site...

I kinda understand that they want to be where everyone else is at, but with the flagrant nazi like behavior, it is just a matter of time before everyone gets a warning or gets a banning or something...

I do find it interesting that moderators that think they are fair and are helping folks have no problem in acting like bullies themselves...

anyways, I have no problem in carrying on with myself, and know that I wont change to suit them... I am a good guy and I do good things... and will continue to do them...

this is just another example...

if someone can private message david_old_jersey, and let him know how to contact me, I would appreciate it... he is looking for me at cf, and I doubt the mods will let him or others know that they banned me, cause it will not be easy for them to answer to that action...
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Re: Calling all Florida sailors

Want to help pull a boat off Gulfport Beach on Wednesday?


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Re: Calling all Florida sailors

Steve is looking for someone to read and respond and post to all the forums.... Seems it is difficult to get folks to go to a single source to get info, and having the info in as many folks faces is key...

I have started a website at FLOAT-A-BOAT.com - Captain Jims salvage project....

I think that should be the main place to get info, but getting people to go there is the problem...

If there is someone who could post the info on that website then cut and paste the info here and on CF and anywhere else that folks may read...


I have also sent out a half dozen emails to possible sponsors.. I would love to CC the 'media' person, so that they can follow up and or coordinate the possible donations back to Steve...

I would also like to get more potential sources for donations... If you know a place/business who may want to support this effort, please let me know, or better yet, please contact them directly...

Steve needs anchor rode... ground tackle.. (both to use to kedge off the boat, and second to donate to Capt Jay to prevent this from happening again)

for info, I have already contacted West Marine, JSI, Southwinds Magazine, the local St. Pete Sailing Squadron.. and Boat US...




I have created a website and that allows us to have temporary, 'official' looking email address'....

ie mediaguy@float-a-boat.com or Knothead@float-a-boat.com etc...

this way we can publish contact info and not worry about getting spam or other crap after this is all over...

let me know if you want to get involved in this effort, either on the ground on Wednesday, or remotely via the web and phone before to help plan and organize the effort for Steve...


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btw, I would appreciate it if someone could post a message on CF to let folks there know how to get in touch with me...

bill@float-a-boat.com or webmaster@float-a-boat.com


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This post is likely to be a bit disjointed and confusing. For that I apologize in advance. I just need to get my thoughts down at this point.

First off. And this occurred to me late last night after I heard a rumor that a certain person closely involved with this endeavor has publicly stated that I'm only doing this for the publicity.
In my opinion, there is only one person who motivation at this point is publicity and that is "Captn' Jay.
There is apparently a donation site for Jay already set up somewhere and there is talk about setting up some sort of pay pal thing to cover some of the expenses of this operation.
I believe strongly that all donations should be made to something that Jay has no access to and that he in no way profits from this beyond getting the boat off the beach.
I would really like to see an ongoing effort, after the conclusion of this adventure, that would use any extra or continuing donations to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the future.
Extra monies, in my opinion should be used to assist, teach, purchase proper tackle for the next "Capt'n Jay". You know the one. The boat that you never see anyone aboard that's anchored with a piece of chafed 1/2" three strand nylon without a bridle.

We as a society spend millions of dollars trying to rehabilitate people who've committed crimes and are sentenced to jail. We spend uncounted dollars helping people who's personal choices have left them homeless and destitute.
What the hell is the problem with trying to rehabilitate or intervene in the lives of people before they end up in jail or on the street?

That's what I would like to see happen as a result of this. I would like to see an awareness created about this problem and people, you and me, do something to prevent this stuff from happening in future.
I don't have the answer as to how that should occur or even if it would be effective. But I'm certain that if you don't attempt something, success is never a possibility.

Enough of that.
To the poster that is concerned about the integrity of the mast. No offense, but I am a professional sailboat rigger. I know that the mast is suspect. I know that I have to jury rig it to make it strong enough to handle the loads that we are going to be imparting on it. I haven't been sitting on my hands here.

I can't express my gratitude strongly enough to avb3 (cupper), Rocketman, Sailinman, Smackdaddy, David Old Jersey, Goldiphlox and so many other for their direct and enthusiastic support. If you have emailed, or PMed me or called me and I haven't gotten back to you yet, please, please know that it's not because you're not deemed important. I just am really busy and I'm doing the best I can.
Someone told me yesterday, after seeing how much time I was spending on the phone and computer that getting the boat off looks to be the easy part of all this.

Many things are up in the air at this point. I am not expecting to hear from the Harbormaster, Dennis, until tomorrow. He is the person that the city manager said that I have to work with.

I spoke personally with a gentleman named Clay at Tow Boat US yesterday. He has helped Jay in the past. During the TS actually. He and I will speak again tomorrow. He has confirmed that he will help with at least one boat and presumably equipment. We will nail things down a bit more when we speak.
Jay told me yesterday that he spoke with SeaTow and that they agreed to help also. I can't confirm this however.
The issue that I believe might arise with the professional recoverers is that they are likely going to strongly question some of my methods and use of volunteers because of safety concerns. I don't take these concerns lightly but I am not going to be able to deal with a bunch of differing opinions on the day of action.

A group of locals are meeting at the boat tonight at around 6:00 to offload as much as possible from the boat. This is dependent on what has been arranged by that time as to where to put the crap. I tried yesterday to get Jay to understand the importance of boxing and bagging up as much stuff as soon as possible. He has told me that he is working on that.
One idea that I had was to get a Pod or something similar delivered.
We'll see what happens tonight.

My plan, which I've outlined to a few of you on the phone is to dig or blow the sand away from the keel and rudder while pulling the boat over by the now jury rigged mast by means of winches on as many securely anchored boats as possible. The more boats, the more lines. The more lines we can deploy, the less load on each individual one. The less load on each one, the less chance of snapping one or breaking a volunteers equipment.

Once the keel and rudder are dug out, the hole where the keel was buried needs to be filled back in right away. Then a piece of thick plywood will be laid on the sand and a timber or a piling will be placed under the keel to block it up and provide something to slide on rather than allow it to rest back on or to dig back into the sand. This will also serve to allow us to relieve some of the pressure on the line holding the mast horizontal.

Depending on how soon the water comes in and how close the boat is to floating, we will hopefully have a large vessel throwing up as big a wake as they can generate.
My goal is to have the boat move incrementally, a bit at a time if possible by means of a coordinated pull on all these lines secured to winches on anchored boats.
I feel that this will be the safest way to do this. Rather than have a lot of people and lines sharing the water with a bunch of spinning props.

I plan on acquiring some travel-lift slings or similar to wrap around the hull to have secure places to attach lines. We can't tie to anything on the boat.

If plan A doesn't work, meaning there's not enough anchored boats to do the job, I want to have a contingency plan where the mast is tied down to a heavy enough boat that will keep it from lifting when the boat begins to move and the lines go slack. I believe that a boat holding down the masthead is easier than trying to weigh it down with barrels or some such.
This is where the spinning props come in. If we can't winch the boat off, the boats will help pull. The problem arises when the winches on the anchored boats try to keep up with the lines as they go slack. I can foresee a few fouled props. That's why it's plan B.

I want to acquire as much floatation as possible that can be tied or secured under the turn of the bilge or keel.

I have been in contact with a Saint Pete Beach fireman who is a 911 hero and survivor. He is going to be there with some of his mates. I hope to have him or someone equally qualified to oversee the first aid station in case anyone sustains injury.

I really can't cover everything that has been running through my head on this thing in this thread, but please be assured that I'm am thinking about and discussing every aspect of this project with people and am not ruling out or discounting anyone's ideas at this point. I want as many ideas and as much discussion as possible at this point.
However, on the day of action. There can't be a bunch of second guessing or arguing. Plans and alternate plans have to be in place and orders have to be followed. Time will be of the essence and debating everything on that day will not be a luxury that we can afford.

I was interviewed by Fox 13 news and it was the lead story last night. So that's good news. I expect that a bunch of people are going to show up as a result. If only to spectate.

Again, thank you to all who are supporting me in this. For those who are still stuck on the issue of Jay's personality or worthiness. Please get over it. This is not about Jay. It's about us. It's about sailors coming together to regulate ourselves instead of simply saying, "it's not our problem. Let the government deal with it".
It's about our local and virtual community coming together to get something positive done. Something that can perhaps carry on after the Promise is floating to prevent this stuff from happening with such frequency in the future.

Here's the news story.

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Re: Calling all Florida sailors

Knot/Steve

First off I support you fully in whatever direction you take.... but, with that said, you really need to find out about the 'donation' issue.....

You will incur cost. I have already incurred cost... I did this not expecting to get reimbursed, but will feel like crap if someone else profits from this and or recieves money for trivial things, after the fact...

I am not sure how you will feel. Maybe jaded? which will prevent you and anyone who knows you from doing this again in the future to others who may need help and not be in the mindset to make money...

I have been jaded by other users on this forum and CF... a specific user sent out a cry for help, stating something extreme and expensive was wrong with her boat... and although she didnt start the donation fund issue, she clearly made thousands...

and if the repair would have cost that amount or more, then no big deal... but the reality of it is that it wasnt a big issue.. or a big repair job.. in fact, it was a basic maintenance issue that was neglected in the first place, i.e. the packing gland needed to be replaced.

this forum member continues to speak as a person of experience, and carries on as though nothing happened... but the truth is, she recieved thousands from us, (I gave her $100), and she pent less then $300 and used the rest of the money for toys for her boat, drinks, food, and god knows what else.

I felt JADED.. to the point that I dont give a buck to anyone anymore... and until this issue arose, I wasnt going to get involved... I chose to get involved to support you, and will continue to do so no matter what choice/course you choose... Your choice so far has been to help a derelict boat and derelict owner, regardless of the numbers against doing so, for fear of ENABLING him... You stated you wuolde be giving him the 'tough loce' aproach.. and am sure you will do so.. but, between the info you just posted about him potentially acusing you of seeking publicity, and your thoughts about him getting money from people out there that dont know you and others will incur costs, I am kinda at a lost of words..(OK, thats just a saying isnt it?)

anyways, I will be standing by until I hear from you further... I will not pursue further donations from corporate sponsors as I have used my name in that effort...... and I would prefer to not get involved in a possible 'scam' by capt jay, or whomever is doing this...
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First off I support you fully in whatever direction you take.... but, with that said, you really need to find out about the 'donation' issue.....

You will incur cost. I have already incurred cost... I did this not expecting to get reimbursed, but will feel like crap if someone else profits from this and or recieves money for trivial things, after the fact...

I am not sure how you will feel. Maybe jaded? which will prevent you and anyone who knows you from doing this again in the future to others who may need help and not be in the mindset to make money...

I have been jaded by other users on this forum and CF... a specific user sent out a cry for help, stating something extreme and expensive was wrong with her boat... and although she didnt start the donation fund issue, she clearly made thousands...

and if the repair would have cost that amount or more, then no big deal... but the reality of it is that it wasnt a big issue.. or a big repair job.. in fact, it was a basic maintenance issue that was neglected in the first place, i.e. the packing gland needed to be replaced.

this forum member continues to speak as a person of experience, and carries on as though nothing happened... but the truth is, she recieved thousands from us, (I gave her $100), and she pent less then $300 and used the rest of the money for toys for her boat, drinks, food, and god knows what else.

I felt JADED.. to the point that I dont give a buck to anyone anymore... and until this issue arose, I wasnt going to get involved... I chose to get involved to support you, and will continue to do so no matter what choice/course you choose... Your choice so far has been to help a derelict boat and derelict owner, regardless of the numbers against doing so, for fear of ENABLING him... You stated you wuolde be giving him the 'tough loce' aproach.. and am sure you will do so.. but, between the info you just posted about him potentially acusing you of seeking publicity, and your thoughts about him getting money from people out there that dont know you and others will incur costs, I am kinda at a lost of words..(OK, thats just a saying isnt it?)

anyways, I will be standing by until I hear from you further... I will not pursue further donations from corporate sponsors as I have used my name in that effort...... and I would prefer to not get involved in a possible 'scam' by capt jay, or whomever is doing this...

I don't know enough about this to comment intelligently. But. It seems to me that there must be a way to set up some sort of a monitored, non profit thing that can make damn sure that nobody. Me, Jay or anyone else profits from this.
As I said earlier, I would like to see a fund, should there be an excess of donations, set up for the prevention of these types of situations in the future. For the benefit of the individual involved, but mostly for the benefit of the sailing community in general.
People like Jay, as evidenced by the multitude of posts condemning him, give sailing and sailors a bad name.
There may not be enough monetary donations to even worry about, but if there is, I damn sure don't want to see Jay or any other irresponsible boater benefit from them.
I want to see the sailing community as a whole benefit by preventing the reoccurrence of this sort of thing.
Call me an idealist, but I believe it's worth a shot.
That's why I encourage anyone who is able to, to set up something to accept donations for this general fund rather than to have people contribute to the fund that is set up to simply put money in Jay's pocket.

Someone, I can't remember who, posted earlier in one thread or another, something about a social contract.
Say for instance you notice someone who is obviously doing things that would make his vessel a hazard when the next storm blows in. That person should be confronted and offered help on the condition that he signs an agreement that he will accept and implement the advice of those that are trying to help him. Be it a commitment to attend a safe boating class or to make necessary modifications or improvements to his vessel.

I don't believe in charity as much as I believe in intervention. Especially in regards to those who's own irresponsibility led to their predicament.
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Grounded in Gulfport by Jim Thompson - GoFundMe

I dont know this James Thompson, but he claims to be an atty... maybe he is local to the gulfport/st. pete area...

I have posted a comment on that page... but we need to get in touch with him ASAP...

If he is legit, then he will gladly reimburse you for any expenses... and if you know you are going to get at least X amount of money, then you can purchase things you need for this project...

maybe even purchase an anchor, and when you are done with it, then give it to Capt Jay...

I know you are an 'IDEALIST' and are not concerned about the money at this moment, and I understand that.. but you or someone needs to find a volunteer to be the accountant, and to keep track of the costs incurred... along with the amount of man hours expended... at the least, your business can use thisinfo to help with your taxes???

I can setup a donation fund thru the website, but it will 'cost' extra money for that 'feature'.. and I didnt want to spend money to get money kinda thing, especially since this isnt my decision... nor do i know if my website will get the publicity or attention it needs to make a dent in the funds received, especially with the confusion that CF has caused and now there are two websites...

btw, EFF CF...... why you all still hang out there I will never know... they arent there to help anyone except themselves.. they dont care about anyone, Capt Jay, Steve, or anyone... except their pocket book...I wish I knew what i did wrong so I could make ammends, but they apparently dont care about that either..

anyways... please find James Thompson... or have someone find James Thompson...

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