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WildJasmine 07-29-2012 03:34 PM

Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
I used 3m marine silicone sealant to seal the first window I redid and it worked alright. After seeing how fragile the silicone is once its cured I was worried that one big wave or flex in the hull would break the seal.

So I figured I would try it out with butyl tape on the next one and here is how it went.

The first step is to remove the screws from the inside cover.

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Unfortunately, half of the screws were stuck and would not come out. In the process of trying everything to remove them I completely stripped them out. Good thing I have a dremel. I cut a new head into the screw so that a flathead screwdriver would remove them

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The cover then just pops off

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With the pressure off of the window frame it will be easier to get a putty knife in between it and the cabin top. Cut the sealant around the frame and carefully wiggle the frame away from the cabin but be careful the p26 has tempered glass windows and they will break!

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I then scraped any silicone, gunk and paint off of the cabin sides.

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The old seal was pretty gross. These windows were leaking in hard rains so it was time for replacing.

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Once the frame is removed from the cabin the glass can be removed from the frame. To do this there are four screws holding the two piece frame together.

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Remove those screws and the window comes apart.

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The inside of the frame is gross!

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After that I removed the old seal

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Then I cleaned the glass and it was gross!

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Once the frame and glass are clean, they can be reinstalled. I am using Butyl tape, which I definitely recommend over silicone. Super easy to work with. I cleaned all of the surfaces with acetone before placing the butyl tape on them.

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Once its wrapped around I squeezed it to fit around the window

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When the butyl tape is wrapped and formed to the glass I removed the wax paper from the butyl tape and placed it into the frame.

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The butyl squeezes out once the frame is squeezed together and after I screwed the frame back together, a razor blade easily cleans the butyl up.

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I wrapped the butyl around the frame, both on the outer flange and the inner frame that rests against the cabin top.

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I wrapped the tape onto the cabin top.

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Squeeze the tape around the opening

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Slide the window in and Screw the inside piece of the window back in!

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Once the window is screwed in cut away the excess tape.

All done!

Its been a couple weeks now and the windows do not leak a drop. I will now seal everything I can find with this stuff. Its great!

sea_hunter 07-29-2012 04:33 PM

I prefer SikaFlex, sandable, paintable and even good under water. East to remove if/when required.

WildJasmine 07-29-2012 05:01 PM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
I'm sure sikaflex works great but Im not a fan because its still a curing sealant. They are messy to work with, once the seal is broken it has to be redone, and its expensive.

I bought the butyl for $5 a roll and it did all of my windows. $5. It is non toxic and super easy to work with because it has the consistency of ABC (already been chewed) gum. The thing I like about it the most is that if the seal breaks for some reason, it reseals itself the next time it heats up.

BubbleheadMd 07-29-2012 05:43 PM

I agree. Great job!

rackham the red 07-29-2012 06:34 PM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
Thank you for providing this information. I really need to do this to two windows in my boat.

I have built several HDPE lined pits and used black butyl tape for the liner, which last 15 years without leaks. I never considered using it for the windows.

I am ordering my supply of white or grey butyl tape.

Thanks Rochelle

WildJasmine 07-29-2012 11:13 PM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
Just realized I posted this in general discussion, maybe it belongs more in the gear and maintenance forum? That is where I meant for it to be. Oops

Feel free to move it

cb32863 07-30-2012 11:16 AM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
Nice job and perfect timing as I am going to be doing this with all of my ports after the end of the season.

azguy 07-30-2012 01:00 PM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
Looks great and it appears easy enough to do, thanks for the tip :)

jrd22 07-31-2012 12:35 AM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
I'm not sure how well the butyl is going to adhere to the smooth glass, especially in cold weather. If it bonds well in all temps then that is an easy way to reseal ports. I used Dow Corning 795 which is an industrial glazing adhesive. Faster (mod here on SN) recommended it and it's an excellent product. As big a job as it is I wouldn't want to experiment.

chrisncate 07-31-2012 12:51 AM

Re: Resealing and rebedding cabin windows/ports with Butyl tape
 
Don't think of butyl as bonding like an adhesive, it doesn't. Think of it as a rubbery type substance that never hardens and seals only by the pressure of being bolted between components.

It can break it's seal if not sandwiched under consistent pressure of a through bolted/sandwiched between two items application. It doesn't shrink in cold.. it just gets stiff. If it does develop a leak in cold, a heat gun and a very slight tightening of the fasteners will remedy the situation unless too little for the application was used or too much was squeezed out during the initial install and tightening of the fasteners.

With butyl, even when you have a repair/small leak issue - it's so easy to remedy and fix/work with, there really is no comparison to goops that cure and age.


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