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Re: The great sailboat giveaway!

There's a reason that ocean shippers quit moving cargo by sail a few years back, and I don't think that the conditions have changed that much...

IMHO, there's way too much ego and way too little brainpower involved in this idea (and I'm giving the OP the benefit of doubt that it's otherwise an honest endeavor.)
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Re: The great sailboat giveaway!

"Note: CaptainRT has not posted on the other popular sailing forums. "
Actually, he posted in a Certain Other Forum before he posted here. And the thread he started was removed very shortly afterwards, with no comment from the moderators there.
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Re: The great sailboat giveaway!

Welll, you have to give credit where credit is due. After all, how many of us haven't at least WISHED there was some magic way to write off the cost of sailing entirely? Of course, that's how pikers never get rich, the trick is to be the Bernie Madoff of Sailing, and get lots and lots of OTHER people to pay for your sailing.

Not that I'm casting any aspersions here, Bernie would have started with a much bigger NEW boat, not some doated cast-off. Maybe we could sell condo time-shares on a refitted Windjammer schooner?
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" Maybe we could sell condo time-shares on a refitted Windjammer schooner? "
Modify it to " sailing academy & condo time-shares on a refitted Windjammer schooner " then I think we are onto something.
I'll take weeks 24 and 25 as long as I get a cheap Chinese knockoff anchor for taking the condo time share tour.
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Comrade, no one "gets" an anchor of their own, anchors are not needed by the people, they are only needed by the ships.

You will, however, enjoy the opportunity to work in both the coal pits and the iron mines, and then apprentice in the foundry and casting plants, where you will be able to contribute your skills and talents to manufacturing of fine anchors for the ship you will be sailing on soon afterwards!

Where was that other thread about the need for sailing communes?
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Re: The great sailboat giveaway!

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The moderators have decided that our members should choose for themselves whether to support this organization but it should be understood that allowing the thread does not imply endorsement by SailNet. In addition, we moderators want to make it clear that questioning them is allowed, since they invited it by posting, but consistent with forum rule, bashing and belligerence won't be tolerated. We are allowing the thread to remain open after doing our due diligence which could not find anything concrete through publicly available channels to indicate that they aren't who they say they are and doing what they say they intend to do.
Donna et al.,
What about the deception in the original post?

"International Rescue Group (IRG) wants to give away a beautiful 36 foot Albin Stratus to the first volunteer Captain or Crew who qualify!"
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Re: The great sailboat giveaway!

"What about the deception in" that's sadly condoned by all fifty states, and I believe that kind of "tolerance" is one reason we're going down the tubes as a society.

"BUY ONE GET ONE FREE" Anything from shoes to aspirin to steaks. That's nothing FREE, that's called "BUY TWO GET 25% OFF".

Maybe we can shame them into doing what they said, and flat out giving away the boat. Or maybe the California CA people will decide this falls under their "gaming" laws, and require that it be given away.

And I give kudos to Sailnet for treating us as adults and letting the thread stand.
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Re: The great sailboat giveaway!

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Donna et al.,
What about the deception in the original post?

"International Rescue Group (IRG) wants to give away a beautiful 36 foot Albin Stratus to the first volunteer Captain or Crew who qualify!"
The website does say that they will "give away" a boat - for two-year periods.

The moderators discussed pulling the thread entirely, and we did pull it while we discussed it. Believe me, after volunteering in various disaster and emergency services organizations both local and national over the past 20 years, I've seen my share of shenanigans. And don't think I didn't come up with many of my own questions about this particular organization along with its relationship to its "partners."

But, when I suggested to the others that the forum members should decide whether to individually support the organization, I also felt that almost all would pick up on nuances such as the one you mention, as well as expose other holes in the cheese so to speak. As for "giving away" a boat, I read the page with the details and, in my opinion, it is worded in such a way as to provide wiggle room in either direction. Is "borderline preposterous" and "deception" in this case illegal or just opinions?

If the organization is legitimate, the original poster is welcome to return and answer all of the issues that are brought to light through this discussion. Perhaps they can use some of the concerns to fine tune their mission since it's still in its infancy. I would imagine any major donors should have the same thoughts as most of you did. At least I hope they would.

My gut says that this organization is either run by well-intentioned dreamers who should probably heed the advice and concerns here before wasting too much more time and money, or that it could be less than legitimate. My gut isn't a lawyer and it can only go on the same information that all of you have access to and regardless of how I personally feel about it, it says to me that the organization should be given the benefit of the doubt (with reservations) until something concrete comes along to indicate otherwise.
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