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Re: Knapps Narrows Incident - Post Mortem

Did you ever determine why the dockhand didn't accept your lines? That, to me, is telling. Maybe he thought you had too much way on for him to take responsibility for stopping you? I'd be curious as to his explanation.

I know in my boat, the prop walk would have been a significant factor in judging how to make that approach. My prop will walk the stern to port in reverse. Consequently, if I tried to stop the boat against the wind and current by reversing, my stern would have pivoted away from the dock. That's no good in the scenario you described (it would be perfect if the dock were to your port and all other factors the same).

So, I think I would have evaluated the following options a) come in bow to wind and current as has been suggested (I imagine that shoal or some other factor kept you from doing so) b) nosing into the windward end of the dock (only after having made verbal communication with the marina - phone or radio - and established a plan) so the dockhand could take a and tie off a bowline and left your stern drift down to the dock or c) stand off / anchor until the weather had passed.

It is always easier to talk about it afterward than to do it under pressure, but that is how I would approach it.
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Re: Knapps Narrows Incident - Post Mortem

One way, requiring only one line, that someone mentioned in a previous thread may have worked: nose up with a bow spring already on the bow cleat, a loop on the bitter end with length about half the boat's length. Then all the kid on the dock would have needed to do would have been to drop the loop over a midpoint cleat on the dock. Slowly motoring ahead against current with wheel to starboard, the boat would come into the dock where you could jump off, still in gear, and secure it better. Just a thought for the future and of course these ideas are always much easier sitting at a computer.

Knowing what your boat will and will not do is probably the most important aspect in these situations and, unfortunately, the only way to find out is through trial and error. If you made one mistake in this situation, it was in not having an 'out' when you missed. I try to always plan what I'll do WHEN I miss the first time. If it is a dead end, I will not do it and would rather wait for a current or wind change. Also, don't take advice from harbormasters, dockboys, spectators, or fellow boaters. Only you know what your boat can and cannot do.
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I don't know for sure but there appears no mystery here. Pull into the wind, dock portside, turn the bow to the dock using the engine to balance the wind and let the wind put you dockside with the rudder port. Using a long dockline when alone drop it over the cleat and spring the stern into the dock rudder STB.
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Approaching a dock with the wind & current behind you is always problematic. Is there a reason why you could not approach the dock heading into the wind and current?
For some reason marina insisted that I keep the bow facing out. You're absolutely right. I should have approached it heading in and then deat with turning the boat around later. Live and learn...
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Approaching a dock with the wind & current behind you is always problematic. Is there a reason why you could not approach the dock heading into the wind and current?
For some reason marina insisted that I keep the bow facing out. You're absolutely right. I should have approached it heading in and then deat with turning the boat around later. Live and learn...
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Did you ever determine why the dockhand didn't accept your lines? That, to me, is telling. Maybe he thought you had too much way on for him to take responsibility for stopping you? I'd be curious as to his explanation.

I know in my boat, the prop walk would have been a significant factor in judging how to make that approach. My prop will walk the stern to port in reverse. Consequently, if I tried to stop the boat against the wind and current by reversing, my stern would have pivoted away from the dock. That's no good in the scenario you described (it would be perfect if the dock were to your port and all other factors the same).

So, I think I would have evaluated the following options a) come in bow to wind and current as has been suggested (I imagine that shoal or some other factor kept you from doing so) b) nosing into the windward end of the dock (only after having made verbal communication with the marina - phone or radio - and established a plan) so the dockhand could take a and tie off a bowline and left your stern drift down to the dock or c) stand off / anchor until the weather had passed.

It is always easier to talk about it afterward than to do it under pressure, but that is how I would approach it.
It turned out that they over booked the floating dock and they wanted me in different spot inside. For some reason marina insisted I keep the bow facing out but as you also mentioned, I should have gone into the wind and dealt with them later...
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You're absolutely right. I cave in. Never again...

I should have done what would have been the safest approach and dealt with them later.
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Thank you so much for all your great notes as always. Many good points. Lesson learned.
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hey, at least you screwed up in wind and current. I'm accomplished all that in calm waters!
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Re: Knapps Narrows Incident - Post Mortem

A good case for deploying the emergency brake (the stern anchor ready to go at all times on the aft rail).
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