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She is a commissioned navy ship because FDR gave her a Permanent Commission. They take her out yearly and re-dock her facing in the opposite direction, but that is done to keep the paint and rigging from weathering unevenly.

The Commission really means nothing other than that the US President Assigned a Captain to the ship and gave them orders. The Constitution's orders are to promote the Navy and America's naval heritage.

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I had the privilege of being on the Turn in Sept 2006. It was an experience of a lifetime to be out on her. The salute to the Fort and tour that they provided of the ship was fantastic. She has had extensive restorations but is still something to behold.
Something you can touch and feel to bring you back to our forefathers.
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... Then she raised sails and headed back in. We finished the cruise and watched her as she came back to her pier. It was a very cool site to see....
Even though I see the Constitution on weekly basis, she always puts big smile on my face. It was disappointing on Sunday that there too little wind to fill her sails, your picture from 1997 shows more breeze. here's one from Sunday, not much sailing going on...
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I get that. As a former Navy sailor myself, I agree with the good Admiral that sailors belong on ships and ships belong at sea. However, Old Ironsides is a museum that looks like a ship. She has a crew of tour guides and maintenance personnel.

For my tax dollars I want F22s that aren't made with Chinese parts in the oxygen generators. I want SOSUS updated and maintained so that Russion fast attacks aren't cruising around in the Gulf Mexico undetected.

My last ship is being decommed at the ripe old age of 21(!) I'd like my tax dollars to keep Aegis Cruisers in the fleet.
Obiviously you have not seen the recent movie "Battleship".

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Even if we spend $100 mill a year to mainatain and sail USS Constitution that is peanuts when you look at the entire military budget.
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You really don't. She doesn't have a full crew, it takes 450 seamen to sail her properly and it would be a huge waste of tax dollars to crew and sail her. She already costs enough to maintain as a "landmark" and recruiting tool. Money well spent, but with use the maintenance costs go up...way up.

She isn't like the Eagle which is steel, so even using her as a training ship wouldn't be economical.

Her last refit cost 12 million. (that was with all the wood being donated) that was in 1991-1995. She had be refitted about a half dozen times before that... she is quite easily the most costly sailing ship in the world.
I really do. I would rather my tax dollars be "wasted" training some men and women how to sail a square rigger and to maintain that ship than on some of the "non wasted" tax dollars is spent on. Look at some of the ships that foreign countries sail when the us hosts tall ship events, and their national budgets are a lot less than ours. Just depends what your countries priorities are.
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I really do. I would rather my tax dollars be "wasted" training some men and women how to sail a square rigger and to maintain that ship
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I like my tax money being wasted in buying and sailing ships and subs that actually can be used to defend our country.

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See USS Eagle.

I like my tax money being wasted in buying and sailing ships and subs that actually can be used to defend our country.
That's a CG boat. We need a Navy boat.

And on top of that, she is not even made in the US.

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Many of the cadets trained on the Eagle are Navy Cadets... I know, I used to have to salute them

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17 minute cruise or not, we midwest sailors can only see her in pictures. She is gorgeous! Makes me proud to be an American.
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Re: I saw the USS Constitution under sail!

Something I remember from her last true sailing adventure in 1997 was the Navy explaining why they did not have most of her canvas out. They were concerned that her masts could twist (or something like that) under the power developed.

And, several analysts of some kind said "uh, they could have done more".

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Even though I see the Constitution on weekly basis, she always puts big smile on my face. It was disappointing on Sunday that there too little wind to fill her sails, your picture from 1997 shows more breeze. here's one from Sunday, not much sailing going on...

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