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re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

David,

I like the idea of an hour meter on the pump. What/where can you get an hour meter? Is this the same idea as an engine hour meter?
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re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

I check the float switch and the connections leading to the float switch and pump every week. Additionally, I keep 2 spare float switches onboard - just in case. At least once a week I check the packing gland drip, which is a real PITA because you have to be a contortionist in order to see it - even with a flashlight. Must have been a really small, skinny person that replaced the packing gland material a few years ago. This fat, old man would never be able to get into a space that tiny, let alone repack the fitting.

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re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

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David,

I like the idea of an hour meter on the pump. What/where can you get an hour meter? Is this the same idea as an engine hour meter?
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There are plenty of bilge monitors out there. Rule, water witch and aqualarm are but a few. A simple Google search for "bilge pump monitor" will get you what you need.

I currently use a celectron bilge pump monitor and could not be happier. Easy installation, relatively affordable and has the ability to monitor multiple bilge pumps. Here's the link: Bilge pump activity monitor by Celectron. The BW8 Bilge Pump Activity Monitor is an aid to Marine safety
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re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

Judging by the water trail/stain coming from that thru-hull to starboard of the shaft, you may have more than one leak.
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Good work !

Another argument for Bill Schock's " shallow bilge - strong hull" design philosophy. Bill recognized that cutting a hole in the hull diaphragm and creating a deep sump and then attaching a keel to the sump was flawed:

1) this is an inherently weak structural design with the biggest loads (keel) having plenty of opportunity for weak joints. The hull diaphragm is weakened by a big hole where it should be strongest.

2) big sump means needing to make the keel wider to fit a pump in there - wide keel = slow

3) big sump hides lots of water and lots of potential issues. Newport discovered a potentially catastrophic situation precisely because his S30 doesn't have a huge sump where water collects out-of sight out of mind. Newport found the root cause of the leak a d repaired it immediately because the shallow bilge hides zero water. Imagine if instead, Newport had a boat with a sump that held 15 gallons of water deeply hidden under the sole....he would not have know he had a serious leak until he would be outside !
LOL! Seriously dude! Do you see every post as an opportunity to make some kind of sales pitch for your company? Do you honestly believe that any yacht designer would chose to make a fat keel just so he could have more room for a pump in the bilge? I am sure the shallow bilge is more a result of the cabin sole being structural liner, and the desire to maximize headroom within the designed hull, more than a concern for not "hiding water"!

By the way, Bill Schock did not design the Santana 30, Shad Turner did.

I agree with you that the Santana 30 is a solid, well built boat but trying to put some kind of positive spin on every aspect of the boat, or slip your advertising videos into any thread you can just makes you come across as some kind of used car salesman!
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SchockT,

Headroom did certainly come into play with WD's design philosophy. Thanks for mentioning another positive aspect of the method. Shad Turner worked closely with the company to incorporate their build methods.

No designer would willingly make a keel fatter. However when faced with a design brief that wants a deep sump, he'll have little choice but to make a wider keel.

Many sailors do not know about these design philosophies. It seems reasonable to point them out. Sorry if it sounds like crass commercialism.

Erricson also believed in the hull diaphragm philosophy.

As for the videos - they are meant to entertain and amuse., little more.
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re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

We are very fortunate to have experienced and knowledgeable listserv members like Bill Schock and Bob Perry to balance out the dilettantes and picnic sailors. I enjoyed the video and the sales pitch.
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We are very fortunate to have experienced and knowledgeable listserv members like Bill Schock and Bob Perry to balance out the dilettantes and picnic sailors. I enjoyed the video and the sales pitch.
I wasn't aware that Bill Schock and Bob Perry frequented this board. I would dearly love to have a conversation with someone who was involved in the design of my boat, and other similar boats of the era. I am sure he could offer some useful insight that the marketing department didn't include in the brochures!
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Re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

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It you like idea of an automatic pump you can add an hour meter to the pump. That way you will know how much it is running.
A cycle counter (clicky-clicky) is better than an hour meter, IMHO. Little drips are pretty quickly dealt with by even a small bilge pump, so your hour meter may take several cycles to register any significant use. However, if I've been away from the boat for a week and the cycle counter has more than an additional count or two registered (particularly it the weather has been dry) then I know I have a potential problem. I also cycle the pump manually every month or so to make sure everything is working (pumping/counting).

In the case of the boat in this thread, the packing gland has probably been leaking for weeks. With a cycle counter the owner would have noticed the the bilge pump had been activated several times a week (maybe several times a day) and could have addressed the problem before he got his TopSiders wet.
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Re: Went to the boat for a sail..and its Flooded!!!

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We are very fortunate to have experienced and knowledgeable listserv members like Bill Schock and Bob Perry to balance out the dilettantes and picnic sailors. I enjoyed the video and the sales pitch.
Hey, I resemble that remark!
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