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Old 08-29-2012   #21
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

In fairness, the OP asked a very narrow question which was overlooked by most, who just critiqued the overall idea (including me, but after giving my opinion on the question). He wasn't looking for feedback on "which boat"-- only

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Would removing the mast as described have any ill effects on the vessel?
Of course, nothing wrong with giving advice beyond that which is solicited. It's often helpful.
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

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Would removing the mast as described have any ill effects on the vessel?? Thanks Al.
Al,

I'll take a stab at giving a concise response:

- If you mean "will removal of the rig permanently damage the boat," then no.
- If you mean "will removal of the rig negatively effect it's seaworthiness," then yes.
- If you mean "will removal negatively effect the boat's value," it certainly will.

The first and third bullets above are pretty much self explanatory.

The middle one's the kicker.

A well designed sailboat's all about bringing opposing forces into balance. Take part of that design away, and the resulting imbalance will require you to make many compromises. I can tell you from personal experience that you'll find a rig-less keel boat to be a handful in even moderate conditions. And don't think that just because you are going to be in near-shore or inland waters you will be immune -- any large body of water with sufficient fetch will develop sea states that need to be respected.
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

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In fairness, the OP asked a very narrow question which was overlooked by most, who just critiqued the overall idea (including me, but after giving my opinion on the question). He wasn't looking for feedback on "which boat"-- only



Of course, nothing wrong with giving advice beyond that which is solicited. It's often helpful.
I did address his specific question- I said that the boat would ride uncomfortably. Removing most of the mast would harm the riding capabilities of the boat. That's why I suggested that he buy the proper tool for the job.
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Ditto what Bubblehead just said. Buying a sailboat to motor around with really does not make any sense at all.
Have seen a lot of people happily drop the stick to cruise the canals in Ontario. My slip neighbours just took their Bayfield 25 from Simcoe to Georgian Bay (they did bring the stick with).

But I have seen sailboats cruising the Rideau Canal without the stick - guess they left it at home.
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

Has anyone actually experienced being aboard a sailboat with no mast? I've moved several sailboats between harbors for winter storage without masts, and the boats were all more stable without a mast. I think many people are assuming a sailboat without a mast behaves the same as a sailboat without any sails up and it's completely different. But this is all based on personal and a rather limited selection, but wide ranging type of boats (from a 27' sloop to a 58' hermaphrodite brig).
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

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Has anyone actually experienced being aboard a sailboat with no mast? I've moved several sailboats between harbors for winter storage without masts, and the boats were all more stable without a mast. I think many people are assuming a sailboat without a mast behaves the same as a sailboat without any sails up and it's completely different. But this is all based on personal and a rather limited selection, but wide ranging type of boats (from a 27' sloop to a 58' hermaphrodite brig).
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Yes. I've done it twice: Once through the Erie Canal (from Catskill, NY to Tonawanda, NY); and once from Holland, MI to Mobile, AL. Both times, the mast was stowed horizontally above deck.

My initial thought was that with our 8800# of ballast in the keel, we'd be more stable; this was not the case.

In dead flat conditions, it's quite an enjoyable ride.

However, once the usual problems (pb wakes, chop, quartering or abeam seas, etc) come up then the boat's motion gets dicey.

As counter intuitive as it sounds, having the weight aloft really helps dampen the roll.
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As counter intuitive as it sounds, having the weight aloft really helps dampen the roll.

Not really. The keel acts like a pendulum without the weight aloft since there's nothing to slow it down.

The builder of one of mine recommends pulling up the lead centerboard if the sails are not full to prevent the pendulum effect.
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

My guess is that the OP asked after having searched around some great loop sites. This being the one that stood out to me.

Choosing your Great Loop boat.

I would make the assumption he wants to take his time, enjoy the sights, and motor when there is nice weather, and think the answers should come from that viewpoint.
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

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In fairness, the OP asked a very narrow question which was overlooked by most, who just critiqued the overall idea (including me, but after giving my opinion on the question). He wasn't looking for feedback on "which boat"-- only

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Would removing the mast as described have any ill effects on the vessel?
Of course, nothing wrong with giving advice beyond that which is solicited. It's often helpful.
Good point, you're right, of course...

However, I think it certainly would be helpful if the OP had offered some more specificity than simply "a used sailboat"... Giving at least a hint of size or budget might influence the sort of reply I'd be inclined to give...

If his idea of a "used sailboat" is something akin to a Catalina 27, for example, I'd strongly advise against such a plan... If his budget might allow for something more substantial like a Fisher motorsailer, however, or maybe a H-R Rasmus, that could be a whole different ballgame, such boats could be considered to be reasonably suitable for doing the Loop sans the rig...
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Re: Sailboat without a mast

There are all kinds of concessions made in sailboats to make them sailboats that will sail well that are unnecessary in a power boat. Many of those concessions make for a kind of crappy boat, unless you're sailing. Narrow sterns, less cabin for less windage, small ports in case you get rolled, a cockpit in the back instead of a nice deck to fish from, and many others that I'm too tired to list. I think a powerboat makes a better powerboat.
It's doable, sure, but you're making compromises in comfort to gain nothing. Plus you'll have to answer a million dumb questions.
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