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Supern0va 09-05-2012 12:09 PM

Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Hi all,

Something I was wondering while on the hunt for a new boat.
Where can I find which rating a boat has for seaworthiness?
Specifically I'm thinking about Lloyd's ratings. I haven't been able to find a database anywhere :s

aa3jy 09-05-2012 01:09 PM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Bottom line:

It would be extremely costly and would open up a lot of liability issues..

LLoyds and CL

discovery.ucl.ac.uk/6988/1/6988.pdf

kd3pc 09-05-2012 01:59 PM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
neither lloyds nor the europaen CE ratings truly address seaworthiness....there is a lot more to seaworthiness than C/G, righting moment, ballast, water line, etc....and poor sailing, over canvassed and sorry decision making can destroy any notions of seaworthiness when thrown up against mother nature or her daughters...

those ratings, if real, can give you some peace of mind or insurance discount if that is important to you. Some ratings are just marketing spin....The lloyds letters are per the actual hull and impact how the boat was/is to be built, maintained and such. No certificate....no rating.

My beneteau in 1999, was "CE" Category A, and did actually have some build/equipment differences than the non- certified boats. That being said several other boats (tartan, hanse, bavaria IIRC) have had keels fall off and hulls compromised...whilst being CE category A....

Again none of this means a whole lot when out there in a stink.

What is your real concern in looking at these ratings? We may be able to address it more completely.

Supern0va 09-05-2012 02:16 PM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Thank you both for your input.
@aa3jy, yes, I found several summarized and more comprehensive documents on what some of the standards mean.

Maybe I should have stated my initial question differently. What I'd like to do is enter the brand and model of a certain sailboat somewhere, hit 'search' and get to see 'the seaworthiness rating' that this boat has. ie, CE category A or lower.

I know that these ratings are not the sole means to judge a boat. It's just one parameter that I want to know.

Specifically I'm looking at an Albin Ballad and am wondering if it was built with blue water cruising in mind.

DRFerron 09-05-2012 02:21 PM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
I googled since I'd never heard of the boat and a few Sailnet threads came up. Here are two. They may have your answer:

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...llad-30-a.html
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/boat-r...-have-one.html

Supern0va 09-05-2012 02:29 PM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
@Donna, thanks. Yes, I leafed through those already. I know the Albin brand has a strong history of quality, so even without an official classification I'm sure the boats are solid.

However, Albin is my first choice but not the only option. Hence the wish for a database where you can look up brand + model and see the rating...

VK540 09-05-2012 02:47 PM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Rate Your Boat-gosail.com

This site may be some help.

Supern0va 09-06-2012 05:23 AM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Ah, yes that is somethign along the lines of what I had in mind. Thanks.

However this is all data derived from ship dimensions that can be found online.
I suppose a CE rating is not only based on this but also on things like hull thickness, strength of the rigging, the way the chainplates are mounted and all sorts of other build quality related stuff that I don't know the proper English terms for :)
Is there really no database where you enter a boat model and it spits out a rating? It seems so logical that this info should be available...

Supern0va 09-06-2012 08:31 AM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Update: found a small list at boatdimensions.com/sailboat-listing

only a few boats though.

tommays 09-06-2012 09:10 AM

Re: Seaworthiness - Lloyd register rating?
 
Older J24 brochures try and throw in some Lloyd stuff as apparently the core method was kind of sort of done to some Lloyd standard :)


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