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The link was deprecated. The address is Deprecated Browser Error and if that doesn't work go to Deprecated Browser Error and go to statistics for 2011. The PDF is available for download.
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I suspect 6 6 5 4 3 is the number of hours for a watch for two people rotating back and forth.
0600-1200, 1200-1800, 1800-2300, 2300-0300, 0300-0600.

Sorry - that was rather cryptic. I use it with large crews as well. There is a 48 hour cycle.

This summer we had 6 (later 5 - other story) crew and had 3/2 on each watch. With no autopilot, it was necessary to change the helm at least every hour..

The six hours during the day is quite nice, it also allows each crew member to get a great sleep. I usually sleep when I am off in the 6 hours in morning. In the 6 hour afternoon, I got cleaned up, read, did some instruction with the on duty watch (I was instructing an offshore course).

The worst watch is 0300 - 0600 which is why it is so short.
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Darn it. Trying[URL="http://www.uscgboating.org/statistics/accident_statistics.aspx[/URL]
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The pdf link from above.

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Page 7 for the statistics. Improper lookout is #2, 0perator inattention is #1.
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6 6 5 4 3, what is that?, the amount of people on each watch of your micro managed crossing, or the hours each of the FIVE people on board! what? And how is that fair for the guy who does the 6 on and what? sounds like you've taken something as simple as raising a sail and catching a breeze across an ocean and turned it into the most difficult thing possible with dash of difficult to make it even more confusing for your " students".
I'm glad Garndpa taught me the Keep It Simple Stupid method.
Sorry Aaron

The standard Swedish Watch as I understand is 4 5-hour watch in the 24 hour day, followed by 1 4-hour watch. I learned this on my first passage.

I would have thought you would have studied watch systems for your masters ticket. We teach various watch systems our courses.
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Probably time for a watch system thread.

Can a moderator create one and move this discussion, please?
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Sorry Aaron

The standard Swedish Watch as I understand is 4 5-hour watch in the 24 hour day, followed by 1 4-hour watch. I learned this on my first passage.

I would have thought you would have studied watch systems for your masters ticket. We teach various watch systems our courses.
We use a 6 and 6 or 12 and 12 on the commercial side and 4 and 8 ( english) in the tall ship, school ship. we study things that matter like stability and plotting in masters classes, not swedish watch systems. I don't think figuring out how to break up watch is something that needs to be "studied" it alway's works it's self out based on the crew and the passage. How many of those statistic accidents of improper watch were off shore involving seasoned solo sailors sigle handling in the open ocean? I'm betting they were all near shore recreational boaters zooming along not paying attention.
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How many of those statistic accidents of improper watch were off shore involving seasoned solo sailors sigle handling in the open ocean? I'm betting they were all near shore recreational boaters zooming along not paying attention.
The English system (3 watches) works well when you have the accommodations for three watches. As we hot bunk, we need to use a two watch system.

Sailboats themselves involve very few accidents and deaths. Those with formal instruction also are in a small minority.

I have read these reports for the past couple of years. I wish Canada hasd a similar reporting system.

Thanks for the posting LoboPops.

BTW - we also teach navigation.
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The English system (3 watches) works well when you have the accommodations for three watches. As we hot bunk, we need to use a two watch system.

Sailboats themselves involve very few accidents and deaths. Those with formal instruction also are in a small minority.

I have read these reports for the past couple of years. I wish Canada hasd a similar reporting system.

Thanks for the posting LoboPops.

BTW - we also teach navigation.
I'm sure you do and I'm sure your students come away with a wealth of knowledge.
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