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WO, that makes my 12,000 miles a year seem like a lot. all getting paid too,
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No worries, Aaron - I was referring to a different poster...
OH..... I'm just saying...what if? Two big ball's with a pink light in the middle, for single handlers,.
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You win.
I aint trying to win, i just want it to be ok with every one that we single hand our little sailboats on the sea . I've been called crazy, stupid, moronic, idiotic, and i don't think I am. i think i'm taking a calculated risk and applying hard won skill.
actually i don't care if it's ok with any body.
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I aint trying to win, i just want it to be ok with every one that we single hand our little sailboats on the sea . I've been called crazy, stupid, moronic, idiotic, and i don't think I am. i think i'm taking a calculated risk and applying hard won skill.
actually i don't care if it's ok with any body.
Aaron

I also like single handing. I often have to show instructor candidates how to single hand, so I have to keep that skill up to snuff. The best way to learn something is to have to teach it to someone else.

I do occasionally for fun. I like to get out by myself occasionally as well; I just do not get to do that much.

I have called you none of that.

I have also calculated the risk. I will single hand when I am awake. Would I single hand back from Hawaii; after last summer the answer is no.

The OP asked a question. I give a more cogent opinion an hour ago.
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I also like single handing. I often have to show instructor candidates how to single hand, so I have to keep that skill up to snuff. The best way to learn something is to have to teach it to someone else.

I do occasionally for fun. I like to get out by myself occasionally as well; I just do not get to do that much.

I have called you none of that.

I have also calculated the risk. I will single hand when I am awake. Would I single hand back from Hawaii; after last summer the answer is no.

The OP asked a question. I give a more cogent opinion an hour ago.
No No indeed you did not accuse me of being a moron. And I am known to be a little crazy in certain circles, But when we, and I'll go ahead and speak for us, are told that " No, sleeping is not O.K., COLREGS specifically states........" we hear " You're a moron, the book does'nt say you can do that " so we argue our point for 4 and 1/2 day's or untill we go back to sea frustrated. As I said. I follow the law to a T , while opperating dangerous liquid cargo vessels, I'm on one now. I've been single handling the same little sloop off shore since I was a teenager, and the single handlers of yesterday we're my child hood heros,..Christ, I got Tanya Aidies autograph when she was in Key West a few years ago. I'm sure you can run your boat by your self Jack, and if in your oppinion we should'nt be doing solo crossings, I applaud your right to voice that oppinion. I'll be doing it 'till I'm too old to remember which boat is mine.
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Re: Is sleeping OK?

Boy, did this thread strike a nerve with some. I'm of the opinion that you can't fault someone from taking a risk with their own life. It's their life. I'm also of the opinion that following the rules is a good idea. Not because the rules always makes sense, but because I sometimes need to know what to expect from someone else to make a good decision on what to do.

Therefore, there is no settling this debate. It gets even more difficult, if risking your life causes others to be at risk. Typically dismissed by arguing how unlikely that is.

Its like seat belt laws. Risk killing yourself, if you like, but requiring an ambulance or being superior on the triage list at the hospital can impact others lives. Or helmet laws, which have the same argument.

Although, here is the slight parallel here to the helmet laws. If a state doesn't have one, its amazing that almost no one wears one. That tells me that even those that would wear one, don't because they wouldn't look cool. I'm hearing a similar argument for single handed sailing. Tougher, cooler, saltier, evidenced by calling those that advocate a good watch system as sissy yachties. Those that suggest single handed sleeping isn't as safe as maintaining a proper watch or complying with the rules, are simply telling the truth. Those that don't care are welcome to it in my book, as long as they don't take anyone else with them.
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Re: Is sleeping OK?

I never said sissy. I only call yachties on their pomp when they're pompus. Some of my best freinds are rich salty dudes with fancy boats. I often sit watches on their yachts in the comfortable air conditioned cockpit , enjoying the space age glow of computer screens and smart helms that turn themselves on que to a wait point on the intergrated chart plotter, skyping with my wife on the upper corner of the screen while she is watching our blipping progress on the lower corner of her's. It's neat. I can't help if single handling under 30 foot engineless sloops across open stretches of water with a sexton and a thermos look's kind cool and salty to some, it kind of is.
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Re: Is sleeping OK?

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Boy, did this thread strike a nerve with some. I'm of the opinion that you can't fault someone from taking a risk with their own life. It's their life. I'm also of the opinion that following the rules is a good idea. Not because the rules always makes sense, but because I sometimes need to know what to expect from someone else to make a good decision on what to do.

Therefore, there is no settling this debate. It gets even more difficult, if risking your life causes others to be at risk. Typically dismissed by arguing how unlikely that is.

Its like seat belt laws. Risk killing yourself, if you like, but requiring an ambulance or being superior on the triage list at the hospital can impact others lives. Or helmet laws, which have the same argument.

Although, here is the slight parallel here to the helmet laws. If a state doesn't have one, its amazing that almost no one wears one. That tells me that even those that would wear one, don't because they wouldn't look cool. I'm hearing a similar argument for single handed sailing. Tougher, cooler, saltier, evidenced by calling those that advocate a good watch system as sissy yachties. Those that suggest single handed sleeping isn't as safe as maintaining a proper watch or complying with the rules, are simply telling the truth. Those that don't care are welcome to it in my book, as long as they don't take anyone else with them.
The state of Florida used to have motorcycle helmet laws.I myself through experience desire to wear a helmet. I believe that freedom of choice is very important,( unless it affects someone else.) That makes this a very good analogy. How difficult can it be to have someone along to stand a watch. I have been faced with this many times. I often take my five-year-old daughter with me when I do a delivery, or just sailing for recreational reasons. I would not dream of single handling if it was just me and her. I always bring someone along either experienced or not.I will admit that years ago I used a single hand, but experience and close calls as changed my thinking, when it comes to sleeping at the helm or otherwise. Captg
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Re: Is sleeping OK?

Okay, last post on this issue.
COLREGS creates a lose-lose situation for single handers yet there are some who will sail single handedly. Within context of the rules one should be able to use reasonable judgement to manage his passage in the safest manner possible and not be penalized when someone else actively violates the rules and runs him down. Court decisions like the one cited by Jackdale are an abomination and should be thrown out.

Jackdale,
There are autopilot systems that can be integrated with a windvane to allow the choice of following either a magnetic course or the variations in wind direction. The problem with this choice is you are underway making way and can actively cause damage.

There are sea anchor systems that deploy off the stern of the boat and are reputed to be easily retrieved and are said to quieten the motion of the boat. It significantly reduces your making way so that you will not actively run into something. The benefit of this option is it gives you respite and allows you to practice and test you storm systems but has the disadvantage of taking longer to get underway making way.

Heaving-to doesn't really stop the boat but lets you get underway making way quickly.

None of this discussion relates to how fast you make a passage, or how long it takes to get to your destination, only to completing your single handed passage in the safest manner possible. I think Capt. Aaron has been trying to tell you this. He is not going to run into you and he is going to let you know, if you are keeping watch while underway making way, where he is. Your decision, whether or not to run into him.
If you are in a long distance shingle handed race and know what you are doing, you are going to sleep when you can for you know not when you will be able to sleep again, taking the risk as it comes.
I think the grief you are getting from some is the pendantic, dualistic manner in which you argue. Laws cannot be written to cover every conceivable situation. I'm sure you must develop in your students the ability to use skill and good judgement in every aspect of their passage. The laws of man and nature create a dynamic that requires reason, knowledge, skill and judgement to successfully complete a passage. And sometimes luck.
I hope you don't think I'm a crazy marauding single hander who is out to run you down in the middle of the night. In fact, I don't make long single handed passages because I can't even stay awake long enough to get out of the bay.
The only bona fides I can swap with you are not hours underway making way.
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Re: Is sleeping OK?

Is it okay to sleep while I'm armed?
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