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Well now that was an interesting read. It seems that an overtaking, motor powered vessel, not maintaing an effective watch and failing to maneuver to avoid a collision is equally guilty as a sailboat that did not maintain an adequate watch and failed to maneuver to avoid a collision. That is like blaming the victim.
It is also interesting to note the different treatment radar receives vs the vhf radio. If you have a radar, you are not required to use it and maintain a watch as you are for a vhf radio. And the rationale was that they are expensive and wear out with use and so must be conserved until needed. Doesn't that same rationale apply to the vhf radio and almost everything else in this world? Doesn't the same rationale apply to navigation lights - i.e. only turn them on when some one is there to see them?
It is also interesting the assumptions the judge made. He even cited his own experience as basis for an assumption, which can be annecdotal at best and prejudicial for sure.
The judges remarks seem to indicate that not maintianing a watch during the day is ok, but not at night. Do you think he really meant to say that?

For what it is worth, I once participated in a briefing of the Vice Chief of Naval Operations preparing him for a "Law of the Sea" convention, and I will assure you that single handed sailing was not one of the topics of discussion but that there was discussion about the legality of ships engaged in national defense to run without navaids (lights, radar, sonar, radio, etc.). Can you even imgine a carrier battle group steaming at 35-45 knots with out active navaids?

And, I'll bet that the Single Handed Sailing Society was not at the convention.

So, I still maintain my suggestion to rig your boat so that you do not run into something, and that you are visible day or night and so that it is apparent that you are not under way and let the chips fall where they may.
It is also important to note that if you do not have an insured expensive boat you will never make it to the court room.

Just some random thoughts after reading the referenced case.
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I like the idea of a special annuciator on AIS that calls out a single hander. However, it probably does tell the ocean police that you must be dis-regarding some of the regs, unless they are changed in the case where you make this electronic announcement.


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That would be a great AIS message " Single handing...if ye hear me snore ye are to close"

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Re: Is sleeping OK?

We recently passed a sailboat at 3AM between the Balearics and Sardinia. They had all Nav lights on, an ais transponder sending out his(her?) position. We tried and tried to contact them via VHS to resolve our collision course and never could get a response. So we just altered course and sailed right by them, 50 feet away in the opposite direction. It was no danger in our case, but if we had been doing what he was doing we would have collided.

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So, I still maintain my suggestion to rig your boat so that you do not run into something, and that you are visible day or night and so that it is apparent that you are not under way and let the chips fall where they may.
But you are underway.

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I like the idea of a special annuciator on AIS that calls out a single hander. However, it probably does tell the ocean police that you must be dis-regarding some of the regs, unless they are changed in the case where you make this electronic announcement.
That's the problem, Being alone isn't illegal, but not keeping a watch is against the rules, so if you put out the word that you are alone 500 miles off shore one can assume you sleep. Maybe things are just fine the way they are, stay visible and try and sleep in the day time. Are the sailing associations that encourage solo voyages encouraging people to go out and break the law. Seem's like the law does'nt even take notice untill someone get's hit and lives to complain about it.

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But you are underway.
So what angers you, that people sail solo and it say's you can't in a book? What if there was a paragraph added that stated solo sailors exhibiting a certain shape or light could heave to and dissmiss watch duties for a spell, would it then be ok?

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So what angers you, that people sail solo and it say's you can't in a book? What if there was a paragraph added that stated solo sailors exhibiting a certain shape or light could heave to and dissmiss watch duties for a spell, would it then be ok?
What angers me is the nonsense that vessels with sea anchors or hove-to are somehow not underway. They are by definition underway.

I think that many those who seek that freedom of single-handing must also accept the added responsibility of doing so. The rules have not changed, there are no special lights or dayshapes.

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We recently passed a sailboat at 3AM between the Balearics and Sardinia. They had all Nav lights on, an ais transponder sending out his(her?) position. We tried and tried to contact them via VHS to resolve our collision course and never could get a response. So we just altered course and sailed right by them, 50 feet away in the opposite direction. It was no danger in our case, but if we had been doing what he was doing we would have collided.
That's a heavy traffic area and they should'nt be zipping along asleep at night. If they were hove to there wouldn't be a collision course because you would of been the only on makeing any sort of way. It takes some common sense to do this solo thing safely. Regardless of the rules. I take the stern of every boat I've ever seen at anchor, in the sea, weather I'm opperating a 100 foot tug pulling a 300 foot barge 200 feet behind me or sailing my little sloop. I've never called right of way, I call stay out of the way.

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What angers me is the nonsense that vessels with sea anchors or hove-to are somehow not underway. They are by definition underway.

I think that many those who seek that freedom of single-handing must also accept the added responsibility of doing so. The rules have not changed, there are no special lights or dayshapes.
I've certainly alway's accepted that responsability and it angers me when solo sailors don't as well. But what if there where lights or shapes, maybe there should be, There is obviously sailors and have alway's been sailors solo sailing.
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