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If the J/24 is so awful...

If these boats are so terrible, as so many people suggest. What boat replaces it? There are a lot of things about the J/24 that are attractive to me, but everyone is quick to point out it's design flaws. What are the newer boat designs that are better? What about one-design fleets?

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Modern lifting keel boats - new boats still being made with a Healthy used market, both have good class organizations:

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Re: If the J/24 is so awful...

Moore 24 would be another to add to your list.

If you want modern style 24' 1design fleet, Melges 24, laser S2b - this has not taken off as it did in Europe........You can actually buy quite a few 24' boats of this genre frankly over their! Melges also has a 20' boat IIRC.

Kind of depends upon the what you are really looking for in a boat, as far as speed, comfort etc.

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Re: If the J/24 is so awful...

Don't think the J24 is particularly awful, it's an older design. Plenty of them still racing round the cans, we do fine with one.
Martin 244? That's a potentially quick boat if you can figure out how to sail it fast.
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Re: If the J/24 is so awful...

good little boat and it is small for the number of crew it takes to run one. they always seem to be crowded. still a popular class. they are racing the nationals in New york this week and there are 104 boats entered. not many other keel boat classes of the older boats get those kind of numbers, many of the new classes do not even have that many boats built.
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Re: If the J/24 is so awful...

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If these boats are so terrible, as so many people suggest. What boat replaces it? There are a lot of things about the J/24 that are attractive to me, but everyone is quick to point out it's design flaws. What are the newer boat designs that are better? What about one-design fleets?

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I thought the j24s design flaws were simply addressed by keeping the hatch boards in, and the cockpit lockers latched?
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I thought the j24s design flaws were simply addressed by keeping the hatch boards in, and the cockpit lockers latched?
I read that too, but people also complain of the ergonomics of the boat, and the outdated design.

I suppose I'd be interested in a "faster" type boat, that would still have some type of cabin, just for overnighting once and awhile and room to store equipment.
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good little boat and it is small for the number of crew it takes to run one. they always seem to be crowded. still a popular class. they are racing the nationals in New york this week and there are 104 boats entered. not many other keel boat classes of the older boats get those kind of numbers, many of the new classes do not even have that many boats built.
They only build 30-odd Bristol 31.1s. Hard to get 104 entries!
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A boat like a Sonar is a good example of J24 alternative. Comparable performance but comfortable for a group of adults or a family. The only reason to value the J24 is to race in a J24 one design fleet. Otherwise there's much better allaround boats like Sonars, Col26, newer Js....

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Re: If the J/24 is so awful...

Convert the J24 into an IC24 and you're good to go!!

I've sailed the J24 and personally have no problem with it as a day sailer. Certainly, as a single class racer, everyone has the same limitations. If you want to cruise, its not really what it was designed to do.
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