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Re: how do i make it warm

We have a more sophisticated verson of the Coleman Black Cat which we plumb in our propane tank to, but we also vent the cani somehat, and only run it why we are awake, We have a caerbon monixide detector also.

It isnt ideal, but it allows us to anchor overnight through the end of Novemeber on Saturday nights. It doies also produce plenty of moisture.

The OP who bought this boat is a teeneager who doesnt really have the money to do things. HUck, Its time to put her away for the season like others are doing in your area. Work hard this winter at a job and save your money to do the improvements you want to do in the spring. Why not put her up on the hard for the winter and work n her? Surely you arent going to leave her in the water all winter are you?

Dont do anything dangerous and cobble something together.

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yes it's staying in all year no money to haul her out and store her for the winter. im planning on putting a tarp over the boat and hope for the best it will aslo be a mooring.

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Do all the other boats stay on mooring there? I doubt it as it freezes there.

This goes back to your original decision to buy this boat without thinking it through and waiting till you were at lkeast properly funded to take care of the most BASIC of costs.

Huck, Your parents were against this from the beginning. Their advice is proving to be correct, While I admire your drive and want to sail, I find your decision making lacking any maturity, but after all you are 16. Hopefully this comnes soon and your decisions are based on what you want and can afford and are willing to work for and the patience to allow this to happen in time instead of immediate gratification.

Immediate gratification is what can get sailors in trouble, not looking at the big or the long range picture.


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Anything that generates an apreciable amount of heat takes a lot of energy. Human bodies produce the most amount of heat for the least amount of fuel.

Make some friends.

Anything else will cost money, and or be dangerous. Calalytic heaters sometimes come with built in co & o2 sensors to shut themselves off.

People have died in an open tent with a propane or alchohol heater inside. recently some boy scouts killed themselves that way.

I've found that in a small boat with a couple of people moving around it gets warm fast.

The safest heat on a boat is electric, ceramic, or oil filled electric heaters have low risk of fires because the element doesn't get that hot. You just need a supply of electricity.

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Layers.

I spend my winters exploring the snowy mountains on skis. No heat out there and rarely am I cold when dressed properly. I'd never consider a heater for my sailboat unless I was living on it. I could spend a day sailing in sub freezing temps and be just fine.
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The boat has bin through 5 winters in the snow and ice it will last 1 more. Its a strong boat and this year it will have someone me taking care of it through the winter

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I'm thinking about getting one of these for next season:

Amazon.com: Stansport Portable Outdoor Butane Heater: Sports & Outdoors Amazon.com: Stansport Portable Outdoor Butane Heater: Sports & Outdoors



It uses the same butane cylinders my stove uses.

$35 for the heater and $15 for a CO/smoke detector and I think I'll be all set.

I would never run it at night or unattended; probably not underway either, but we'll see.

$50 isn't free, but it's a good deal for heat. I know it will heat that small space.

Butane rises, so a leak isn't as potentially catastrophic.

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I'm thinking about getting one of these for next season:

Amazon.com: Stansport Portable Outdoor Butane Heater: Sports & Outdoors

It uses the same butane cylinders my stove uses.

$35 for the heater and $15 for a CO/smoke detector and I think I'll be all set.

I would never run it at night or unattended; probably not underway either, but we'll see.

$50 isn't free, but it's a good deal for heat. I know it will heat that small space.

Butane rises, so a leak isn't as potentially catastrophic.
I did a quick google search. Butane produces nitrogen dioxide, a poisonous gas. And according to the internet, Butane is heavier than air and sinks. Natural gas is lighter than air not Butane. According to the internet
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Re: how do i make it warm

Smallboatlover, if you are working inside it shouldn't be so bad. I worked on my boat all throughout the winter, often without any heat source, and so long as it is a sunny day and not too cold the cabin has a greenhouse effect and is bearable. I recall sometimes taking layers off as the day moved on and things got warmer.

Otherwise, I think you can scrounge together the $40 to get that catalytic heater, and so long as the companionway hatch remains open there seems to be little to fear from it.
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I did a quick google search. Butane produces nitrogen dioxide, a poisonous gas. And according to the internet, Butane is heavier than air and sinks. Natural gas is lighter than air not Butane. According to the internet
Thank you, Peter.

I will investigate.

To be fair, almost all combustion produces poisonous gasses.

Ken

Edit to add: Perhaps 'poisonous' is the wrong word; "almost all comustion produces gasses that are not healthy for humans to breathe a lot of..." Argon is not poisonous, but you can't live in a boat full of it.

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