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Re: Mooring vs slip?

Explain to me how a mooring is safer than a slip in most storms. I like the convenience of a slip. Not only for loading, but also for working on the boat. If I want privacy I can pull out of the slip and anchor in the cove. Basically the same effort as rowing out to a mooring.

I like to be able to fill up with water daily. Wash the salt of the boat after using each time. Our slip is tucked back amongst trees in a more protect place from he wind, an an open mooring field.

Most boats in our area on he Chessie are in marinas as there are few moorings. Converse rules in the LI Sound and NE. Because of this most premium spots not open to most in terms of anchoring in towns and coves. In NE most of the premium places in many harbors are choked with tightly packed moorings leaving visitors or travelers only unprotected anchorages or less than spots to anchor. I find this a very unfriendly set up sometimes. In the Chessie you can lost nchor anywhere because no one has claimed the public waterway for the residents only.

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Re: Mooring vs slip?

Chef, I get your point, mooring fields would naturally choose the best locations. However, in just about all that I can think of, you can find a good anchorage immediately next to the last ball. Do it all the time. I will admit, a kid will very occasionally come along and try to say you can't anchor there or try to tell you there is a huge rock under you or some other nonsense to protect their revenue. But its almost never true. (almost)

On the other hand, I will often take one of their transient moorings, which I'm thankful are plentiful in the NE. Now I am in that theoretical best spot for the night. Moorings may be a bit of false security, but for me, it reduces the worry of what is going to happen to the boats around me. I've seen boats drag on anchor about 100 to 1 over a mooring failure. So, when its going to blow all night long and the anchorage is crowded, I'm grateful for the transient moorings.
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Re: Mooring vs slip?

As some have introduced the idea that grabbing a mooring is easier than docking, it got me thinking. If you do not routinely dock your boat, you will be extraordinarily out of practice and probably avoid some great experiences along the way. I think its much less likely that you would avoid grabbing a mooring for being out of practice, but that may be possible too.
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Re: Mooring vs slip?

Interesting survey....... to reply, you must have already stated that you prefer a mooring over a slip in the above posts.

Q. Assume all marinas change their pricing next year and the moorings are more expensive than the slips. Will you still pay more for the mooring, as you prefer it?
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Re: Mooring vs slip?

I pay $140 a month for my slip. I'd rather pay $200 as opposed to a free mooring.
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Re: Mooring vs slip?

Minnie,

I too usually take moorings when in NE or the LI Sound, but it is really only because of the set up in most of the towns, the anchor area outside the last mooring is so exposed. Like you I sleep very securely on a mooring ( maybe falsely) , but I sleep pretty good at anchor since I got one of the New gen anchors ( Rocna) 5 years ago, but iStill set anchor alarm in both places. I was just making a list of the t owns we have visited the last 5 years comparing the mooring vs anchoring.
This year, Montauk, Greenport, (actually Doering Harbor) , Coakles, Stonington, Pornt Jeffereson, Northport, Olde Saybrooke were virtually no anchoring areas but plenty of moorings. Cape May, Atlantic Highlands, Barnegat, good anchorages.

On the Chesapeake there are virtually no moorings except private ones. In NE the moorings appear to be money making set ups for the towns. I am not a lawyer and my knowledge of riparian rights is limited to houses on the beach, how is it these towns are able to rope off large areas in front of them in the water. Is it the town that owns the water? The county? The state? Are marinas to expensive to build there, but are not on the Chessapeake?

I have found it to be very unfriendly to travelers who just are passing through and want to drop hook for the night. Over $1 a foot to ull up on a mooring when I carry sufficient tackle is hard to swallow.

I also agree with what you are saying about losing practice in getting into slips, dockage, fuel docks when you never have to do it. Some of our greatest calamities or "teaching moments " have occurred pulling into a slip with swirling or following 35 knt winds or narrow fairways to menu ever in. Picking up a mooring is relatively easy.

I still need an explanation from whoever posted that moorings are safer from slips in a storm.

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Re: Mooring vs slip?

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I still need an explanation from whoever posted that moorings are safer from slips in a storm.

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Dave,

You'd not catch me dead at a dock in a storm. In fact many up this way move off docks and out to moorings. I would rather have my boat on my mooring, in a bad storm, than on the hard with the risk of being blown over.

Properly moored the boat will suffer no damage unless hit by an inappropriately moored boat.. On more than one occasion I have moved our boat from a dock to our mooring when a storm was coming. In fact last year in the "Hurricane that wasn't" there were dock spaces available at NE Harbor yet no moorings. People wanted off the docks and onto moorings. We waited it out and got a mooring.

In the Perfect Storm the boat I was working on at the time, a 2+ million dollar sport fishing boat, had a 6' hole in her stbd side and was snapping 1" dock lines like it was kite string. The other crew mates who were there bought a 600' spool and kept replacing them. When high tide came, and the ocean made the break wall useless, the damage got even worse. The boat suffered more than 6 figures in damage in what was considered a "protected" marina. Only one boat on a mooring broke free yet nearly every boat at the docks had damage.

Last fall while up in the Harrasseekett River I moved our boat off the dock and to a mooring when a 40-50 knot predicted storm was due. It never even blew 40 but did blow over 30. The boat next to me, who remained on the dock, had a toasted Awlgrip job and was beam to the wind pinched against the finger pier....

We survived this storm on our mooring with zero damage as did all the boats in this video:


Most boats in this marina had damage and many sunk like these two:

and these two still in the water:


My mooring keeps me pointed into the prevailing storm and in over 40 years of myself and our family using moorings, even in severe storms, no damage....... On our offshore islands, where fisherman bet their lives on their boats to live there year round, they use moorings not docks because they are safer. You won't see a single commercial boat on an off shore island left tied to a pier or dock during a storm.

Heck, even our kayaks that were in their racks on the beach were destroyed in the waves and storm surge. One of them was even Kevlar, yet both were snapped like toothpicks. Our boat, on her mooring, road it out with zero issues. Never even chafed through a pendant...


Some marinas are better protected than others but up here being on a dock during a storm can be a liability when compared to a good mooring.
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Re: Mooring vs slip?

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I still need an explanation from whoever posted that moorings are safer from slips in a storm.
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Less danger of wave action popping out a fender, and risk of dock chafing against boat.
During Irene, many people were very concerned that the storm surge would combine with high tide, and the docks would float off their pilings. Storm surge should not be as much of an issue with a good mooring.
Of course this assumes that the mooring is up to the task.
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Explain to me how a mooring is safer than a slip in most storms.
It depends on were you live BUT in the Northport area the storm surge and the normal 8' tide is the big issue along with the wind direction

On a mild full moon northeaster it is common to have all the streets underwater making it imposable to even get to any boat

In bigger storms plenty of large docks have floated right over the piles

If we get a prolonged north wind the Northport mooring field takes some serious abuse

If we get a prolonged south wind the CT side of the sound mooring fields and docks takes some serious abuse


If its really big Places like Seymours pull all there docks and launches and even if you were on a dock your riding it out on a mooring
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Re: Mooring vs slip?

IMHO,

This argument for moorings vs slips is a matter of personal preference. I don't think anyone is trying to convince others that they should change their preference.

We could change this argument as to who's slip is preferable to another because in fact each marina is very different. Is backing into a four point tie up with a prevailing 15 knot cross wind and two knots of current better than a bow first port side floating dock with fixed fenders?

When I do dock, I "prefer" a port side tie up because I have learned the art of prop walk. So I get less practice backing into that four point tie up. My bad.

As to why a mooring may be preferable in a storm; I can only speak for MY mooring.
The mooring is an 800 lb mushroom set up.
The mooring has been jetted into the bottom.
The bottom chain is US Navy surplus anchor chain from a Destroyer.
The top chain is sized for a much larger boat.
The pennants are over sized.
Depending on the tide, I have at minimum 10 - 1+ scope.
I have 100 feet of swing room.
There are none of the worries of being tied up against a fixed object. The boat swings into the wind and waves as it was designed to.

Most days I raise my main, drop the mooring and off I go, unfurling the jib as I sail through the mooring field. Return, I furl the jib, approach the mooring, head up, grab the pennant and loop it over a bow cleat. I pop open a cold one as I drop the main and cover it up for the night.

Given the proper prevailing winds, I can sail from my mooring to Block Island and anchor or pick up a mooring and never start the engine.

I sleep under a cover when those tied to land need airconditioning. There are no mosquitos. My neighbors are at least 100 ft away.

http://marine.geogarage.com/routes?m...J0Ijo4MH19fSAg

My way may not be for everyone, but I'll take it any day over a slip.
Disclaimer: My opinion is subject to change.

As to towns closing off their anchorage to offer rented moorings:
Busy transient anchorages are very bad for the sea bed.
Many people don't know how to anchor and it's often a hazard to anchor in a crowded spot.
Mooring fields allow many more boats than anchoring.

In a perfect world, I would prefer towns didn't do this. However, the world is far from perfect.

I have had too many problems anchoring in busy summer spots. I don't sweat the $40 for a mooring. I do sweat the 35 ft Bayliner who just anchored over my rhode with his little baby danforth and 2-1 scope on fishing line.

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