What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show - Page 4 - SailNet Community
 46Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #31 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
Senior Member
 
SeaQuinn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Chesapeake Bay Area
Posts: 131
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 5
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

I went Thursday and Friday....it was definitely more crowded on Friday but it was not totally uncrowded even on Thursday.
I saw some beautiful boats but I also saw some really disappointing boats as well. I won't name names but was speechless when I looked at one that was so non descript inside I thought I was in a cheap trailer. it even had screws missing from the flooring....so it squeeked. The sales person inside....never looked up from their perch at the table, or said a word. Why would a company waste money to take a boat to a boat show and then present such an eyesore?

Last edited by SeaQuinn; 10-15-2012 at 10:02 AM. Reason: Boat show, Annapolis, boats, crowds
SeaQuinn is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
formerly posting as eryka
 
wingNwing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: aboard s/v Cinderella
Posts: 1,123
Thanks: 5
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by aa3jy View Post
Agreed..that's how I purchased my wife's anniversary gift..went by the 'Fatty Knees' dingy sales rep. on a Monday afternoon about an hour before closing. Rep didn't want to drag the dingy back so part of the deal was a delivery to my marina as well as all the optional pieces thrown into the deal.
Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on which side of the cash register you're on, too many people are learning this trick. If you're going to cut a deal with them for the demo model of something too bulky that they want to bring back with them AND get a good selection, go no later than Friday morning. Make the deal, they put a "sold" sign on it, display it for the rest of the show and you go back and pick it up 4:00 Monday, show the receipt from your purchase atthe gate and you don't have to pay for admission again (and stay for tear-down, yesssss). Got a heckuva deal on our outboard and dinghy that way.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Cinderella, CSY 33, Photo by Joe McCary

Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. - Sidney J. Harris


Shameless self-promotion - my blog for the Annapolis Capital newspaper:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
still has some glitches to be worked out. Until then, I'm posting at:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
and
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
! And a new project:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
wingNwing is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #33 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
formerly posting as eryka
 
wingNwing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: aboard s/v Cinderella
Posts: 1,123
Thanks: 5
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by juliekristine View Post
For some reason, I thought it was Thursday to Sunday only?
Juliekristine, the power boat show is the one that runs Thurs-Sun; the sailboat show takes advantage of the Columbus Day holiday and runs to Monday. Oddly, because Columbus Day is so late next year (Oct 14), there is some talk of having the powerboat show the weekend BEFORE the sailboat show, instead of after as it is usually scheduled.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Cinderella, CSY 33, Photo by Joe McCary

Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. - Sidney J. Harris


Shameless self-promotion - my blog for the Annapolis Capital newspaper:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
still has some glitches to be worked out. Until then, I'm posting at:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
and
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
! And a new project:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
wingNwing is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #34 of 96 Old 10-15-2012 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
JulieMor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 853
Thanks: 47
Thanked 16 Times in 16 Posts
Rep Power: 6
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

For the traditional monohull sailor, the show left a lot to be desired. For those who want lots of space in their new boat, this was probably a great show.

When I saw the Shannon beast, I was excited at first because I thought they would have one of their real sailboats there. That they only chose to bring a cabin cruiser upon which they mounted sails disappointed me. Hinkley had only a small booth. But maybe that spoke to the trends.

When I walked aboard the Beneteau Sense, the first thing that came to mind was a bachelor pad/party boat. Then I thought about standing on that spacious aft deck and getting hit by a gust. I imagined being thrown overboard.

Later, while inside a Beneteau Oceanis, I heard a customer tell the salesman there are no handholds above. The salesman said that would reduce headroom. The customer frowned then the salesman said, "You can add as many handholds as you want." Problem solved.

The comments here about storage space being reduced to provide larger cabin space are right on. But considering how many positive comments I heard at the boat show about all the open space, well, maybe that's what the manufacturers are reacting to.

But in this economy, and its vanishing middle class, the number of people who can actually afford a new boat is a fraction of what it was 10-15 years ago. If the boatbuilders are going to survive, they have to make their boats cheaper or appeal to a different market. It may be one of those trends that forever changes the world of sailing. I hope not.
JulieMor is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #35 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
Member
 
JimMcGee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Barnegat Bay, NJ
Posts: 2,035
Thanks: 89
Thanked 63 Times in 59 Posts
Rep Power: 12
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by wingNwing View Post
Juliekristine, the power boat show is the one that runs Thurs-Sun; the sailboat show takes advantage of the Columbus Day holiday and runs to Monday. Oddly, because Columbus Day is so late next year (Oct 14), there is some talk of having the powerboat show the weekend BEFORE the sailboat show, instead of after as it is usually scheduled.
Wow, that should foul up some people's plans

Alot of people who stay in the B&B's and the hotels in town book next years room when they're checking out to make sure they get their spot.

95 Catalina 30 Island Time

The sail, the play of its pulse so like our own lives: so thin and yet so full of life, so noiseless when it labors hardest, so noisy and impatient when least effective." - Henry David Thoreau
JimMcGee is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #36 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
Member
 
JimMcGee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Barnegat Bay, NJ
Posts: 2,035
Thanks: 89
Thanked 63 Times in 59 Posts
Rep Power: 12
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieMor View Post
When I walked aboard the Beneteau Sense, the first thing that came to mind was a bachelor pad/party boat. Then I thought about standing on that spacious aft deck and getting hit by a gust. I imagined being thrown overboard.

Later, while inside a Beneteau Oceanis, I heard a customer tell the salesman there are no handholds above. The salesman said that would reduce headroom. The customer frowned then the salesman said, "You can add as many handholds as you want." Problem solved..
Just once I'd like to see this in a magazine review.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieMor View Post
The comments here about storage space being reduced to provide larger cabin space are right on. But considering how many positive comments I heard at the boat show about all the open space, well, maybe that's what the manufacturers are reacting to..
I commented to one salesman that it would be impossible to cook real meals in the galley of their 30 footer. His response "That's why it has a microwave."

Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieMor View Post
But in this economy, and its vanishing middle class, the number of people who can actually afford a new boat is a fraction of what it was 10-15 years ago. If the boatbuilders are going to survive, they have to make their boats cheaper or appeal to a different market. It may be one of those trends that forever changes the world of sailing. I hope not.
There were very few boats 30 feet and under, but that's been true for as long as I can remember at the show. We wanted to check out the new catalina 315 (we have a Catalina 30 now). There were some things we liked about the boat and at $123K it didn't seem outrageous. Then I asked about a boat optioned like the one at the show and was told high $180's.

I'd think that puts the boat out of reach for much of its traditional family market when you factor in payments plus slip fees and maintenance.

95 Catalina 30 Island Time

The sail, the play of its pulse so like our own lives: so thin and yet so full of life, so noiseless when it labors hardest, so noisy and impatient when least effective." - Henry David Thoreau
JimMcGee is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #37 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 5,111
Thanks: 1
Thanked 224 Times in 186 Posts
Rep Power: 7
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by ronbo1 View Post

I was disappointed that Island Packet's new Blue Jacket wasn't available yeti. Though the economy is still sluggish IP may be positioned for the recovery.

Ronbo
Well, you could have just had a look at the Tartan 4000 instead, the 2 boats are strikingly similar... Aside from the addition of a Hoyt jib boom, and shaft propulsion in lieu of a saildrive, there's very little apparent distinction between the two...

I can't help but wonder whether some folks at Tartan aren't regretting not having negotiated a more ironclad non-competition clause of some sort with Tim Jackett, perhaps? (grin)

What would you guess the odds will be that Blue Jacket sells a SINGLE version of that boat with the 7' 5" keel? I'm gonna guess slim, to none...
JonEisberg is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #38 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Corpus Christi, Tx
Posts: 1,436
Thanks: 39
Thanked 50 Times in 46 Posts
Rep Power: 11
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by JulieMor View Post
But in this economy, and its vanishing middle class, the number of people who can actually afford a new boat is a fraction of what it was 10-15 years ago. If the boatbuilders are going to survive, they have to make their boats cheaper or appeal to a different market. It may be one of those trends that forever changes the world of sailing. I hope not.
Good point. Income distribution today is much like it was in 1929. It wasn't until the 1950s that middle class Americans started buying boats for family recreation and sailing didn't hit the big time until the fiberglass revolution produced affordable small cruiser/racers (small by todays standards) when a family of ordinary means could purchase a sailboat, cruise as a family and race with an amatuer crew with dacron sails. Look at the brochures from the 70s and 80s. They all empasize family and racing.
We are in a different market. I know bunches of people that pay more for their smart phones and data plans than I pay to keep my sailboat. And that's not counting the cable tv packages with all sports all the time, except of course all ads all the time feeding the gizmo/beer/truck fever.
There are a few relatively rare people that eschew that plugged in mentality and take their family sailing. Which is sad as some of the best posts on sailnet talk about fathers and moms and sons and daughters learning to sail and making lifetime memories and life time bonds out on the water.
Alas, maybe anon...
ccriders is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #39 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
Senior Smart Aleck
 
jameswilson29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 2,152
Thanks: 34
Thanked 70 Times in 65 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

It is not necessarily a matter of affordability - that assumes everyone wants a new boat.

The real question is why would someone pay 10x as much for new, if your goal is to go out on the water and have fun. You would be paying a lot more money for little or no apparent advantage.

If fact, I believe some of the older boats are better built and more seaworthy than some of the newer boats. So, what exactly are they selling?

The fantasy of sailing? It is absurd to believe the vision of sailing that the boat show provides. Does anyone really care about cut flowers and matching placemats and throw pillows?

How about the reality of wet foul weather gear, sailbags in the forepeak, separate food containers because of inadequate storage, etc?
jameswilson29 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #40 of 96 Old 10-15-2012
The most female moderator
 
Donna_F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: SE Pennsylvania
Posts: 5,354
Thanks: 127
Thanked 256 Times in 235 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Dock
Re: What I learned at the Annapolis Boat Show

Quote:
Originally Posted by jameswilson29 View Post
...

The real question is why would someone pay 10x as much for new, if your goal is to go out on the water and have fun. You would be paying a lot more money for little or no apparent advantage.

...
I agree. While I can see the allure of buying a new boat, when we decided on the C30, we went to the boat show and sat in the C309, which, at the time, was the latest version of the 30, sorta. We decided that the aesthetic upgrades weren't worth the $100K+ price difference of new vs. used and the structural issues in the older boat that we ended up buying were fixed by the PO.

That said, we're once again looking at new vs. used as I research the Next Boat, since our needs for the next boat will be different.

Donna


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Catalina 30 TRBS
Rock Hall, MD
KB3ZCB

If you're helping someone and expecting something in return, you're doing business not kindness.
Donna_F is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Annapolis Boat Show ? ImASonOfaSailor General Discussion (sailing related) 17 09-11-2011 09:35 PM
Annapolis boat show 10/14-10/17 davidpm General Discussion (sailing related) 4 10-01-2010 11:03 AM
What did you buy at the Annapolis Boat show Melrna General Discussion (sailing related) 40 10-18-2008 09:43 PM
Annapolis Boat Show...BAM? camaraderie General Discussion (sailing related) 3 08-29-2007 12:33 PM
Annapolis Boat Show jmunson2 General Discussion (sailing related) 30 10-17-2006 10:07 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome