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Interesting thread. And I was rafted upon yesterday after the ConnieCup race. But it was my dockmate and then someone rafted to him. No big deal in the mild conditions. I have been on a boat that TRIED to raft to another after a race but there was just too much wave action from the watermen running back in.

I don't believe anyone has mentioned a courtesy I was taught years ago. Namely that when you are rafted up and are outside, you go across the inside boat's foredeck when crossing to/from. Never go through their cockpit.
Made sense to me; hopefully to others.

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My understanding is that this is somewhat culturally driven. The "don't touch mine!" attitude is very American and an expression of our greater "personal space", and that rafting is more commonly accepted in Europe, Aus and NZ.

Hopefully if I'm wrong, someone from those areas will speak up and correct me.
Not at all. There's an area around here where the people will call the police if you cut across their lawn.

In France, land is something to be shared. I don't recall ever seeing a no trespassing sign. If you don't want people to come in your yard, you build a fence around it. That's why pretty much everyone has a fence around the FRONT with a gate on their driveway in addition to the back. If the gate is open or unlocked, it's okay for people to come in, possibly even a group of gypsies. If you climb over someone's fence to get in that may be considered criminal activity, but I'm not sure. I think part of it as just unchanged culture from the days of castles.

In France our landlord came in our house to plan repairs without telling us until he was in our or his hallway. Apparently that's perfectly acceptable there, and in fact, I really didn't mind.

American camping is supposed to have everyone as separated as possible in their own private wooded lots. French camping consists of rows of tents 15 feet apart with no separation at all. Then you place your order the night before for what kind of bread you want delivered in the morning.
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I freely admit that I do not have the Jon Eisberg level of experience of international travel, adventure and intrigue - but I have experienced enough of the competence level of many of my fellow Chesapeake sailors to know I don't want the majority of them within a hundred yards of my (ex) boat, let alone trust them enough to care to maintain my brightside and brightwork like I do. Way too many incompetents, drunks and dicks to not care if they raft and board my boat without asking me (or me around to oversee things). Maybe boaters are more trustworthy and competent in other locations, but around here they very often just aren't..
Well said. There are 3 boats (more accurately, their "skippers") within 50 feet of my berth, I wouldn't want anywhere near my boat. Prior to owning a boat, I would have never believed the amount of incompetence/lack of judgment I see around the marina and on the water. Of course, not requiring any type of training/certification before you are a "Skipper" of a multi ton pleasure vessel doesn't help, but thats another subject.
Point being, I'm quite willing to let someone raft to my boat in the proper conditions. However, I want to be there when someone I don't know is doing it to provide proper fenders/lines, assist, or at the very least, witness the carnage if they screw up!

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In France, land is something to be shared. I don't recall ever seeing a no trespassing sign. If you don't want people to come in your yard, you build a fence around it. That's why pretty much everyone has a fence around the FRONT with a gate on their driveway in addition to the back. If the gate is open or unlocked, it's okay for people to come in, possibly even a group of gypsies. If you climb over someone's fence to get in that may be considered criminal activity, but I'm not sure. I think part of it as just unchanged culture from the days of castles.
Brings me back to a question I asked in post #61 (don't think anyone addressed it). So, if the person "sharing" your land is injured as a result, are you responsible as a property owner? If they damage your property while "sharing" it, are they responsible? How does that work in France?

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In France our landlord came in our house to plan repairs without telling us until he was in our or his hallway. Apparently that's perfectly acceptable there, and in fact, I really didn't! mind.
Wow!...You ARE liberal! Without even knocking or ringing the bell? What if you and a loved one were spontaneously being intimate on the stairs in the hallway (uncomfortable, I know, but just go with me on this!)? Would you simply ask said landlord to join in?
I am a Landlord. And I always give 24 hours notice before visiting a property. I would NEVER-EVER enter the property without making sure the tenants knew I was there, or were not there themselves. This happens to be in our agreement (maybe they don't have those in France), but I think anything less is inconsiderate. Off topic, however, it does demonstrate the fundamental difference between what you and I (and apparently the French) think is appropriate behavior. Hence, the variety of opinions in this thread!
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American camping is supposed to have everyone as separated as possible in their own private wooded lots. French camping consists of rows of tents 15 feet apart with no separation at all. Then you place your order the night before for what kind of bread you want delivered in the morning.
As a Backpacker, that sounds like moving the "Burbs" to the wilderness. Why bother? I'd just stay home.

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Hmm. So if someone rafts up without permission and I decide to leave, is it allright if I heave his lines without his permission?
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In BC, you can raft up to a fisherman, and find your self tied to the dock the next morning. Most can pull their boat out from inside yours, tie you back up, and leave , without waking you up.

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I'll bet that in the rules and regulations of the public dock it says that you have to accept people rafting up to you.
Yes, definitely!On all government docks.

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It reminds me of the old dinghy dock in key West, There was room for maybe 5 dinghy's at the sea wall and the other 40 would tie to the last one out and crawl across the other's, If you arived early in the morning, you would be blocked in by 40 boats and have to untie and re-tie your way out. It was communal. I kind of miss those day's, As for public free docking, you get what you pay for.
Courtesy requires one to use a single long painter on ones dinghy, so as many as possible can tie to the same dock. Hiscock made this point in a letter to Sail Magazine once.Solidly tieing bow and stern of a dinghy to a dock is rude, and inconsiderate, and I have often untried such dinghies ,and left them tied by a single , long bow line, so others can use the dock.
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Yes, definitely!On all government docks.
Could you please provide a link or citation on this. I'd be curious as to the 'language' of this regulation.
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Could you please provide a link or citation on this. I'd be curious as to the 'language' of this regulation.
It may consist of little more than a posted sign that says "Rafting permitted" or even "Rafting required". Most local/public docks in BC, anyhow, have been turned over to local harbour authorities whom I doubt are going to get into a bunch of written regulations.

As a contrast, the transient dock (private yacht club run) at Texada Island specifically bans rafting, but only because of occasional swell and the docks are not on pilings, but fairly widespread cable anchors in 90 feet of water.

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