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Re: Critique This Cockpit

Looks like an Alden to me also. And it looks very tight getting around from the wheel, but do like the clamshell seats on the coamings.
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Re: Critique This Cockpit

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I can't make out what those two stainless steel protrusions are on the starboard side of the passenger seat but they are going to bite someone.
I think they are hinges for the seat locker.

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Re: Critique This Cockpit

Are the seats long enough to lie down and nap on? This is, in my opinion, an essential feature of a cockpit. The coamings don't look very high to sit comfortably, but it's hard to really judge that from a photo. On a cruising boat you spend a lot of time in the cockpit so it's important to have comfortable seating (deep, angled coaming), a large table for dining and wide, long seats that you can nap on.

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Re: Critique This Cockpit

Agree with midnightsailor. I vote for Alden.

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Re: Critique This Cockpit

The engine monitors are not visible from the helm.
No mainsheet control, or traveler from the helm.

On a monohull the wide open cockpit sole means that folks have no foot support when heeled. Those deep seats are great for sleeping on, but not when heeled as people less than 6 feet tall will slide off down slope.

There aren't many hand holds for a single handed helmsman to move forward either.

The funky sloped side of the helm seats don't thrill me at all - no back on it so a slip of grip or an errant gust/wave sends you into a lifeline/overboard.

It looks (based on shadows) like there is a coaming between the seat back and the winch, so at least for the forward winch which is unreachable from the previously mentioned funky seat you'd be on your knees winching it. At serious heel you'd be literally hanging on by a winch handle while leaning into a wave face.

The autopilot control head is on the port side wall of the helm area - should be centered. If you are on AP and take a broach while sitting to starboard side you are SOL to getting quick control of the helm.

Julie, you are talking a live aboard - so an enclosure is a must. Picture one on this boat that encloses the winches, those funky seats etc. Picture it as seriously cu$tom and very awkward.
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Re: Critique This Cockpit

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I would be curious to know the size of the boat. It looks like an awfully cramped cockpit on a (I'm guessing) 35+ foot boat. It looks like it is smaller than it needs to be, but it is hard to tell without the picture zoomed back a little bit. Do you need that rail going all the way around the cockpit? Are you really going to walk around on it? Personally, I think I'd rather have the cockpit space.

Then there's that huge wheel. Nice when sailing, but not worth it for the awkwardness it presents when not sailing. Honestly, does not look like more room than on my 26' boat.
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Coaming seats? I thought they were cockpit overflow sluiceways!
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Are the seats long enough to lie down and nap on? This is, in my opinion, an essential feature of a cockpit. The coamings don't look very high to sit comfortably, but it's hard to really judge that from a photo. On a cruising boat you spend a lot of time in the cockpit so it's important to have comfortable seating (deep, angled coaming), a large table for dining and wide, long seats that you can nap on.
Yes, that's one advantage to a tiller on anything less than 40', a T-shaped cockpit can really take a bite out of the seat length... In this case, however, the seats look just long enough for most people to stretch out on...

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I would be curious to know the size of the boat. It looks like an awfully cramped cockpit on a (I'm guessing) 35+ foot boat. It looks like it is smaller than it needs to be, but it is hard to tell without the picture zoomed back a little bit. Do you need that rail going all the way around the cockpit? Are you really going to walk around on it? Personally, I think I'd rather have the cockpit space.

Then there's that huge wheel. Nice when sailing, but not worth it for the awkwardness it presents when not sailing. Honestly, does not look like more room than on my 26' boat.
I'm guessing it's an Alden 45... That cockpit is meant to go offshore, and the coaming serves to inhibit the likelihood of getting pooped, or water running aft on deck from getting into the cockpit. I like the coaming cutouts, far more comfortable and secure than perching on top of a wider coaming, as is customary on so many boats...

An oversized wheel like that is not necessarily as problematic as it might seem, it can easily be removed when not sailing and stowed against the stern rail... The main problem with such wheels is simply getting around them, of course. I can't help but wonder whether the oversize wheel on his J-46 CIELITA was a contributing factor to the loss of Ned Cabot off Newfoundland last month, having to step up out of the cockpit to get around the wheel momentarily places a helmsman in an extremely vulnerable position... Just one more argument in favor of a tiller, but no one wants to hear about tillers anymore (grin)



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The engine monitors are not visible from the helm.

The autopilot control head is on the port side wall of the helm area - should be centered. If you are on AP and take a broach while sitting to starboard side you are SOL to getting quick control of the helm.
Looks to me like the engine control panel is down low on the port side, and the autopilot control is on the inside of the coaming to starboard behind the helm... Not a good spot for either, IMHO...

Always a challenge to locate an engine control panel in a cockpit, but I hate to see them placed low like that, sooner or later they're gonna be underwater. Gauges are one thing, but I don't even think an ignition key should be located in the cockpit, I think below inside the companionway is a far better location - way too many things can go wrong with ignition keys exposed to the elements in a cockpit...

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Julie, you are talking a live aboard - so an enclosure is a must. Picture one on this boat that encloses the winches, those funky seats etc. Picture it as seriously cu$tom and very awkward.
Uh-oh, don't get me started on enclosures - they're meant for boats other than that one... Putting an oxygen tent on an Alden 45 would be akin to drawing a mustache on the Mona Lisa... (grin)
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Re: Critique This Cockpit

not enough room for elctronics on the helm. steering wheel looks to big to get around comfortably. looks like it will need mroe then 1 person to sail. maybe even more.
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Re: Critique This Cockpit

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Love the outboard helm seats.. but would like to see some strategic foot rests inboard. Like the large wheel (without needing a trough).. decent lounging seating forward, not so great across the back with the contoured sections for sitting when heeled - but I'd pretty well always be in the seat pods.

Also like the aft winches being accessible to the helmsperson. Personally I'd order it without the teak.
Agree with Faster.

Minimal 'clutter' on the binacle and in the cockpit - yes!
Id prefer the primary winches to be a bit further aft for easier and more convenient use by a singlehanding helmsman (sitting AT the wheel).

Also I always prefer mainsheet traveller controls (lines and cleats) in strategic reach of the helmsman. This config. will REQUIRE an assistant to sail the boat to 'play'/'dump' the traveller in gusty conditions. If that traveller is coachroof mounted, there is no place to locate cam cleats and control line extensions near the helm. The singlehanding helmsman will be leaving the helm and walking back and forth, etc. in this config. in 'lively' conditions.

That BIG wheel is nice but somewhat blocks access forward by the helmsman to get to any coachroof sail, etc. controls - the helmsman will have to step up 'onto' the seats to go forward.

Those side helm seats ..... Im actively drooling!

I prefer teak in the cockpit for best wet traction.

That 'helm seat' will need a 'cushion', unless you dont mind sitting on hinges and that emerg. rudder stock deck plate. Hinges would better be served if mortised and 'sunken flat' of flush with helm seat surface. Ditto that deck plate.

May be hidden in the pic, but I dont see 'multiple' / large cockpit drains - obviously this is a blue water config. Without large/multiple cockpit drains, this high coaming 'tub' cockpit may take a long time to drain when filled with water.
I also dont see a bridgedeck to lessen/minimize downflooding into the companionway - if so, you have to depend on companionway strength and companionway 'door' strength.

I like it; generally 'clean' and free of 'crap' to get tangled on.
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