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It didn't look like it was foiling at the time it capsized, which is surprising given the wind that was present in the video (major whitecaps).

IDK, the america's cup is just plain boring to me, it has nothing on the VOR entertainment wise...
I put a video of the capsize up in the AC72 thread in the Racing section. She was foiling - but as the leeward hull lifted onto the foil, the windward bow sagged down, eventually digging in which brought the leeward hull down and under.

Lots of talk about the design being wrong - allowing too much twist between the hulls.


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I put a video of the capsize up in the AC72 thread in the Racing section. She was foiling - but as the leeward hull lifted onto the foil, the windward bow sagged down, eventually digging in which brought the leeward hull down and under.

Lots of talk about the design being wrong - allowing too much twist between the hulls.
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Re: AC72 capsizes ...

That movie was first posted on interesting boat threads and then on this thread where the discussion is going on.

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Re: Team Oracle Boat Capsizes

Now that I've gotten used to seeing cats so much, I can't say I favor one or the other now. Heck, wasn't one recent AC a cat vs. a mono? If parity could be somewhat ensured, I wouldn't mind a broad construction rule that allows for either.

I will say that when I first saw an AC45, it seemed kind of unweildy to me. Something I can't really pin down about the sail just looking too tall for the platform. With the AC72's, it seems even worse (at least with Oracle, which is the only 72 I have seen thus far.

I think it's getting to the point, for me, where the offseason between AC's carries even more excitement than the actual race. I'm already hungry to see the design rule for the next AC race after this one.
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Now that I've gotten used to seeing cats so much, I can't say I favor one or the other now. Heck, wasn't one recent AC a cat vs. a mono? If parity could be somewhat ensured, I wouldn't mind a broad construction rule that allows for either.

I will say that when I first saw an AC45, it seemed kind of unweildy to me. Something I can't really pin down about the sail just looking too tall for the platform. With the AC72's, it seems even worse (at least with Oracle, which is the only 72 I have seen thus far.

I think it's getting to the point, for me, where the offseason between AC's carries even more excitement than the actual race. I'm already hungry to see the design rule for the next AC race after this one.
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"Forced to race, and lacking time for preparation, Conner and SDYC looked for a way to prevail. They recognized that a catamaran was not expressly prohibited under the rules. Multihulls, due to a lower wetted surface area and vastly lower mass, are inherently faster than equal-displacement monohulls. Conner, however, left nothing to chance and commissioned a cutting-edge design with a wing sail, named—as his 12-metre yachts had been—Stars and Stripes."

"The two yachts raced under the simple terms of the Deed in September, 1988. New Zealand predictably lost by a huge margin. Fay then took SDYC back to court, arguing that the race had been unfair, certainly not the "friendly competition between nations", envisaged in the Deed of Gift. Ciparick agreed and awarded New Zealand the Cup. However, Ciparick's decision was overturned on appeal and SDYC's win was reinstated. Fay then appealed to New York's highest court and lost. Thus SDYC successfully defended the Cup in what observers described as the most controversial Cup match to that point.[34] (The 2010 America's Cup was a direct descendant of the 1988 Cup, as it featured two gigantic multi-hull yachts and generated even more legal activity and controversy.)"

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Was that a gybe they were trying to pull?
On any boat with over 20knots of wind we know what that will do.
These giant boats are way over powered
The Boat was only sailing for 8 days and they trashed it!
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Was that a gybe they were trying to pull?
On any boat with over 20knots of wind we know what that will do.
These giant boats are way over powered
The Boat was only sailing for 8 days and they trashed it!
Do you know if the mast/sail was saved or did it sink?

The guys that sail these cats have some real guts. Especially the single handed round the world non stop cats.

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(see the AC site and others) The vid I saw showed the rig floating in chunks and the hull fairly submerged being pushed out beyond the gate in alot of current and breeze. Not sure, but I suppose they towed what they could back to base.
I wonder how long till they put her all back together? Can't imagine the $$$.
I think I would have a big 'come to jesus meeting' with the [piad] crew if i was the flipping that bill.
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Re: AC72 capsizes ...

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Those AC catamarans are looking more and more like the dodgy option many of us thought they were all along. Eventually, some crew member, falling 72' from stern to bow (and through the rigging) during a pitch-pole is going to get seriously hurt.
Or else, once again, racing will be restricted to ideal conditions. Bring back the monos!
Yeah...thats the spirit that made this country great! "Oops, we had a hiccup. Let's go back the the boring, safe way we used to do it!"
As someone who was blown away watching the the AC multis on a 40 year old mono, I say...try, try again (as long as Larry E. is footing the bill)!
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