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If you are referring to the capsize in the Aug World Series Fleet race, it was actually Spithill (#4). I know because it happened right in front of me.
When I watched this last weekend I thought it was Spithill I remembered capaizing:

When I Googled it to make sure, I read it was Coutts. Maybe that referred to this one back in June:

Whatever the case, I had no problem finding videos on the web of AC capsizes. And the America's Cup has no problems selling that to the public.
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You mean like "Pro Wrestling"?
I mean like Nascar
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Re: Team Oracle Boat Capsizes

Maybe time to consider some rethink on forward buoyancy / spoon bows etc, On the other hand ,it's great for entertainment of the armchair viewer and the sales of chips and beer. This is a bit past barnstorming in a biplane and I doubt the leaders care what the hicks think.
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Re: Team Oracle Boat Capsizes

It was scary (and painful) enough pitchpoling a 19' Nacra catamaran.
Doing the same thing in a 45' or 72' cat must be terrifying, not to mention bone-crunching and body wrecking.

I think the AC started getting out of control when the guys from "Down Under" built the aircraft carrier and the USA countered with the first AC catamaran, Stars & Stripes.

The old 12-meter rule was getting old and outdated.
AC45's brought a lot of attention to sailing in general and to the Americas Cup in particular. Certainly we can come up with a "Happy Medium" somewhere in there?
One Design racing is fun and exciting. There are monohulls that are infinitely safer than the monster AC 45 and 72 cats.

It seems much of the interest in big cats is the same as NASCAR or rubberneckers driving past a serious accident on the interstate:
People are watching just to see the next big "crash" and nothing more.

How many of the people watching the AC recently with their IPods, Droids, Robots, Ipads and Clock-radios actually know the difference between a tiller and a boom? Could they identify a batten if it were thrown at them like a javelin? Do they know that sailboats haven't always been built from Carbon Fiber and sails from Kevlar, Mylar and Carbon? Most of them wouldn't know the difference between a 3/4 ounce "Chicken Chute" and a Cruising Spinnaker if their lives depended on it...

Do any of them actually know the longest winning streak in sporting history ended with the loss by the US in 1983 and the controversy surrounding Austrailia II's wing keel?

I seriously doubt it...
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How many of the people watching the AC recently with their IPods, Droids, Robots, Ipads and Clock-radios actually know the difference between a tiller and a boom? Could they identify a batten if it were thrown at them like a javelin? Do they know that sailboats haven't always been built from Carbon Fiber and sails from Kevlar, Mylar and Carbon? Most of them wouldn't know the difference between a 3/4 ounce "Chicken Chute" and a Cruising Spinnaker if their lives depended on it...

Do any of them actually know the longest winning streak in sporting history ended with the loss by the US in 1983 and the controversy surrounding Austrailia II's wing keel?

I seriously doubt it...
None of that matters. They're watching. And they're watching because it's exciting. And it's exciting because it's fast. And it's fast because the general notion of "safety" is second to speed. That's the bleeding edge - and that's where the AC should be.

Everything else is just nostalgia for what used to be a very boring sport.
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Do any of them actually know the longest winning streak in sporting history ended with the loss by the US in 1983 and the controversy surrounding Austrailia II's wing keel?

I seriously doubt it...

Well, I do know. Watching 12-meters was like watching grass grow. I would be happy to watch it in any high-performance boat--mono or multi--but it better be planing, foiling, flying a hull, or SOMETHING. Otherwise, I might as well just watch good club racing, which by the way is dull as dirt if you're not on board.
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None of that matters. They're watching. And they're watching because it's exciting. And it's exciting because it's fast. And it's fast because the general notion of "safety" is second to speed. That's the bleeding edge - and that's where the AC should be. Everything else is just nostalgia for what used to be a very boring sport.
I agree. Not to mention, it excites the kids, and makes them want to know more about sailing. Any way you look at it...thats good for the kids and the sport!
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When I watched this last weekend I thought it was Spithill I remembered capsizing: When I Googled it to make sure, I read it was Coutts. Maybe that referred to this one back in June:.
Yeah...That was the first endo (as far as I know) when they were first practicing on the 45's a year ago. Coutts went through the wing.
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Whatever the case, I had no problem finding videos on the web of AC capsizes. And the America's Cup has no problems selling that to the public.
Funny you should say that. Call it Machiavellian, but when I saw the Spithill 45 endo, it occured to me that it might have been staged for drama (the crowd went crazy!). Reason being, no one even fell off and Spithill was sitting pretty the standings. If any team could afford to "take one for the AC", "sit one out" (or, more accurately, lay on their side) it was Spithill. The reason I've ruled that out is the proximity of Spithill's wing to Artemus. It almost came down on Artemus which obviously could have been a disaster. If they were going to stage it, they would have given themselves more room.
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