HMS Bounty in trouble...

[JonEisberg]

Originally Posted by PCP

If I had known that would make me a Tall Ship captain I would have made an effort to buy a slightly bigger SHIP

Regards

Paulo

I think in attempt to determine what defines a Tall Ship, or determine whether WITCHCRAFT indeed qualifies, it's probably best to invoke the famous approach taken by US Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, in his effort to define what constitutes pornography...

Loosely stated, it would be "I know (a Tall Ship) when I see one..."

[casey1999]

Originally Posted by PCP

I am a bit confused here. The Witchcraft that chief is talking about is this one?



This is not a Ship, much less a Tall ship. This is a Classic yacht and not even a big one with 60ft. A nice one I would say.

Agree, that ain't no tall ship.

[casey1999]

Originally Posted by chef2sail

People do stupid things on ships and boats far worse with more loss of life than two people and dont get nearly the noteriety and play in the press as the Bounty has. Even her in the shark tank of sailnet, the Bounty has had so many permutations as to cause and hypothesis that havent been afforded other ships or vessels which have sunk. It may beg back to a questuion to which JulieMor asked in the beginnning, why does this Bounty evoke so much response?

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Chef,
I think the reason the Bounty brings so much response is the fact the Capt apparently knew a very large storm system was headed his way. A storm system that most seamen/women knew would be difficult if not impossible (and at the least extremely dangerous) to out manuver. In light of all these facts, the Capt set sail. When people (including experienced tall ship and Commercial ship Captains, pleasure boaters, and the general public) heard the Coast Guard was attempting to rescue a historic tall ship in distress (and near the eye of hurricane Sandy), the responose from most of these people was what the hell is this ship doing in that location. Once people found out more information about the appearant poor condition of the ship Bounty, more questions were raised as to what this ship is doing in that location.

Remember, the Coast Guard said the rescue was one of the most difficult that they had ever performed. The rescued risked their lives and cost the US tax payer money. We deserve some answers and have the right to speak our minds as allowed by our Constitution (as long as we do not slander).

[JulieMor]

Originally Posted by casey1999

I think the reason the Bounty brings so much response is the fact the Capt apparently knew a very large storm system was headed his way. A storm system that most seamen/women knew would be difficult if not impossible (and at the least extremely dangerous) to out manuver.

If he led a group up Mt. Everest when a deadly blizzard was coming and rescuers had to save the climbers, public reaction would have been the same.

[rgscpat]

This is a "Tall Ship" according to Tall Ships America (sailtraining.org):

Sightsailor, 46' aluminum sloop.
"Sightsailer was designed by Newport-based naval architect Yves-Marie Tanton. His client wanted a boat with a big cockpit that was low to the water, fast and fun to sail. "

http://www.sailtraining.org/images/v...htsailer.8.jpg

(SIGHTSAILER - Tall Ships America: Member Vessel Database)

Question: To qualify for Tall Ships membership, would a Catalina 30 need to be Tall Rig model?

[JonEisberg]

Originally Posted by rgscpat

This is a "Tall Ship" according to Tall Ships America (sailtraining.org):

Sightsailor, 46' aluminum sloop.
"Sightsailer was designed by Newport-based naval architect Yves-Marie Tanton. His client wanted a boat with a big cockpit that was low to the water, fast and fun to sail. "

http://www.sailtraining.org/images/v...htsailer.8.jpg

(SIGHTSAILER - Tall Ships America: Member Vessel Database)

Question: To qualify for Tall Ships membership, would a Catalina 30 need to be Tall Rig model?

Nah, the Catalina 30, like my own boat, needs 5 more feet of WATERLINE length - then she'd be good to go...

Class C or D, depending on whether or not she has a chute...

Or, whether it's stashed on board, or in the owner's garage at any given moment, presumably...

[rgscpat]

Hot diggity! The Hobie 33 (LWL 30.5') could be a Tall Ship! The things one learns here....

[chef2sail]

Truly amazing, Factual evidence met with ridicule.

The professionals have classified the Tall ships into classes. You have seen that. The professional organization welcome Tall shps in other classifications not just the "huge" Tall ships most of us thought were the only ones called tall ships. I was even with you about what I called a tall ship until I reasearched it and found the evidence I was wrong. Factual evidence.by a professional organization...now thats hard to dispute.

Worldwide this is a recognized way of classifying Tall Ships. People even have Rondevous and races on the Class B tall ships as I posted the one in Finland next year in July 2013. They are very proud the are part of the Tall Ships Community I am sure. Maybe they are not the huge square riggers, and the boats financed by governments, but they seem to represent and era of sailing which is vanishing. T those who continue to ridicule them and make fun of the concept of their boats you are insulting these people. You are not ridculing me you are riduculing them. Why would you do that?

I would bet that the members on the large Tall ships and many other in the Tall ship community do not subject them to the ridicule and insult you have just done here.
They may beleive they have the original named tall ships but they probably accept the differing classes. Ill bet they share commradiere amongst all the classes of these tall ships, as they are united as a group of purists who love and are passionate about sailing these vanishing ships of another era in the tradition of the way they were sailed. This is to be admired not ridulculed.

I know the Captain of the WITCHCRAFT who I have watch work on her for the last 10 years meticulously would not be amused by your insults and ridicule, nor would the 25 boats racing in Helsinki next year.

I am sorry this does not fit into your own definitions of a tall ship. Really doesnt change things or make a differnce, as the facts are the facts and their not going to change. I had to change my definition, which really meant all I had to do was expand what I thought and put the vessels in classes, because of what I found. Sparklepl3enty is really the one who made me think about it and research it, and I was suprised by the results, but i do understand why there are different classes of tall ships.

[sparklepl3nty]

It's a goofy, subjective term. If you can call a hobie a tall ship, then I'm calling the 180 ton, 151ft brigantine I raced years ago a racing yacht.

[Flatballer]

Originally Posted by chef2sail

Truly amazing, Factual evidence met with ridicule.

The professionals have classified the Tall ships into classes. You have seen that. The professional organization welcome Tall shps in other classifications not just the "huge" Tall ships most of us thought were the only ones called tall ships. I was even with you about what I called a tall ship until I reasearched it and found the evidence I was wrong. Factual evidence.by a professional organization...now thats hard to dispute.

Worldwide this is a recognized way of classifying Tall Ships. People even have Rondevous and races on the Class B tall ships as I posted the one in Finland next year in July 2013. They are very proud the are part of the Tall Ships Community I am sure. Maybe they are not the huge square riggers, and the boats financed by governments, but they seem to represent and era of sailing which is vanishing. T those who continue to ridicule them and make fun of the concept of their boats you are insulting these people. You are not ridculing me you are riduculing them. Why would you do that?

I would bet that the members on the large Tall ships and many other in the Tall ship community do not subject them to the ridicule and insult you have just done here.
They may beleive they have the original named tall ships but they probably accept the differing classes. Ill bet they share commradiere amongst all the classes of these tall ships, as they are united as a group of purists who love and are passionate about sailing these vanishing ships of another era in the tradition of the way they were sailed. This is to be admired not ridulculed.

I know the Captain of the WITCHCRAFT who I have watch work on her for the last 10 years meticulously would not be amused by your insults and ridicule, nor would the 25 boats racing in Helsinki next year.

I am sorry this does not fit into your own definitions of a tall ship. Really doesnt change things or make a differnce, as the facts are the facts and their not going to change. I had to change my definition, which really meant all I had to do was expand what I thought and put the vessels in classes, because of what I found. Sparklepl3enty is really the one who made me think about it and research it, and I was suprised by the results, but i do understand why there are different classes of tall ships.

Which lost era of sailing do the 50 foot sloops represent?

And jesus you're long winded. I keep wondering if you have a point. Didn't your English teachers tell you brevity is the soul of wit?

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